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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2013, 08:41:42 AM »
If it is OK to bring back the Wolf, wouldn't if be right if the Grizzly Bear also be brought back also? After all they both lived in peace and harmony together in the past.

Don't forget bison.

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2013, 09:11:05 AM »
Or saber-toothed cats. We could bring those back from DNA. That would be awesome!  :yeah:
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2013, 10:31:29 AM »

They're at it ........
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/597/028/373/?cid=fb_Campaigns_Defgw2

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 Did anyone see last night on Discovery the program about Yellowstone, and how the wolf  populations are decreasing (probably runnin out of prey) and they are blaming a type of mite or tick that is causing them to loose their fur and need to use too much energy to stay warm? Maybe they should have left them in the far north where the conditions are too harsh for that parasite to exist huh?
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2013, 01:33:18 PM »
If it is OK to bring back the Wolf, wouldn't if be right if the Grizzly Bear also be brought back also? After all they both lived in peace and harmony together in the past.

Don't forget bison.

Bison: even more controversial than wolves or grizzlies.
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2013, 03:44:49 PM »
There bleeding hearts over the wolf that they exterminated and yet the bison was nearly exterminated as well but they are not fighting for the return of that species???? I'd have to agree with above, if you're going to fight for one species fight for them all since it was by your hand they are in this situation......I hope they delist very soon......
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2013, 04:56:49 PM »
If wolves are so necessary to have, then so should bison. It doesn't make any sense to restore one and not the other. Besides, bison would be another species for the wolves to eat. You'd think the wolf lovers would be all for that.   :tup:

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2013, 09:55:38 AM »
If wolves are so necessary to have, then so should bison. It doesn't make any sense to restore one and not the other. Besides, bison would be another species for the wolves to eat. You'd think the wolf lovers would be all for that.   :tup:

There are a lot of people who would like to restore bison to parts of their historic range. It really is a shame that they are confined to Yellowstone and one or two other small areas.

Very few wolves in the lower 48 have adapted to hunting bison. Once in a while a pack gets pretty good at going after them up in the Hayden Valley, but they still take a beating nonetheless.

People seem so worried that wolves are part of an agenda to end public lands ranching. I've always disagreed with that theory. If folks want to try and end public lands ranching in wide swaths of Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, eastern Oregon, Utah, Colorado, etc., the bison would be the animal to do it with. Bison reintroduction is so controversial in western states (excluding WA because we were never part of their historic range), that even most hardcore NGO's aren't willing to waste money on the issue yet, with the exception of Buffalo Feild Campaign and a couple of others.
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »
"Maggie Howell of the Wolf Conservation Center in South Salem, New York, said the Adirondack Mountains and other parts of the Northeast are "screaming for a predator like the wolf" to thin an out-of-control deer herd.

Ashe, however, said it's unrealistic to think wolves can return to all or even most of their former range, even if scientifically feasible."

The wolves can make it to any state the same way they "migrated" from Alberta in 1995&96. Environmental groups just won't be able to make as much money if wolves are not listed as endangered.

My family and friends have been hunting the Adirondacks for the last umpteen years. I'll let Maggie in on a little secret. There are no deer. They hardly ever kill deer when hunting.
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2013, 10:48:21 AM »
They would love that! These anti-human pieces of trash cant wait to see an un-armed, tofu eating society being mauled to death by wolves....As long as fido and fifi are safe, they dont care who dies.

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2013, 11:12:56 AM »
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1372

  This link is a free on line book about one of Washington's early exploring fur companys. Bonneville's party camped with the natives. One winter they camped where the bison gathered for shelter.

    Hanford nuke land be excellent for a place to start a colony.

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2013, 02:39:43 PM »
If wolves are so necessary to have, then so should bison. It doesn't make any sense to restore one and not the other. Besides, bison would be another species for the wolves to eat. You'd think the wolf lovers would be all for that.   :tup:

There are a lot of people who would like to restore bison to parts of their historic range. It really is a shame that they are confined to Yellowstone and one or two other small areas.

Very few wolves in the lower 48 have adapted to hunting bison. Once in a while a pack gets pretty good at going after them up in the Hayden Valley, but they still take a beating nonetheless.

People seem so worried that wolves are part of an agenda to end public lands ranching. I've always disagreed with that theory. If folks want to try and end public lands ranching in wide swaths of Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, eastern Oregon, Utah, Colorado, etc., the bison would be the animal to do it with. Bison reintroduction is so controversial in western states (excluding WA because we were never part of their historic range), that even most hardcore NGO's aren't willing to waste money on the issue yet, with the exception of Buffalo Feild Campaign and a couple of others.

I'll never understand the buffalo thing for a couple of reasons.

I get the ranchers' argument.

But how it is that hunters have never really gotten behind restoring the buffalo as a huntable game species in more areas than they are now is just astounding to me and I'll never ever understand how someone can look at buffalo meat and say they'll never eat it??? They're off the same evolutionary tree as cows and the meat is a whole lot healthier than beef!!

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2013, 03:23:46 PM »
i would rather see some bison runnin around than friggin wolves, farmers i am sure would rather have bison to< atleast bison arent gonne eat the cows young, hell they only gotta compete for grass.
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2013, 03:26:41 PM »
Nope, they don't want bison either. Brucellosis and fence damage.
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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2013, 09:36:21 PM »
Certify non-diseased seed stock for planting.

Supposed to be as exciting to hunt as shooting a couch. Left trails Ezra Meeker drove oxen yoked to covered wagons on.  Plenty of time to pick and choose which ones stay in the gene pool.

Would ground meat be hamburger or sausage ? Be eating Yak in Grays Harbor County. Another sort of cattle critter with different type of fat. Apparently better for humans to eat than beef like bison.

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Re: Administration's plan lifts wolf protections in Lower 48
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2013, 10:41:53 PM »
The USFWS, AKA environmetnalists have had a good run with their Alberta wolves, I wonder if they realize how much damage their wolves would do to future "endangered" listings?  Such as the wolverine which wolves consider a delicacy.

  They may have to roll around in their own chit for awhile. How will they switch horses at the end of the race?

 


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