WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful

[ucwarden]

rtspring:

Sorry but I have never worked in Prosser in my life.  In Tri-Cities, I worked upriver on the snake.

[rtspring]

Outdoor Guardian pretty much got on here and called me a LIAR on more than one account. Yet to this day not one fact from his statements have been found to do anything but bend the facts. Funny how he blasted me on a public forum but never came back when all was said and done!

He is a crook, no if ands or butts! I want every law abiding hunter on here including mods to be aware of that. 

I put all my stuff on here for one reason so that others would learn from the hell I went through! No sir, they get no respect from me.

The day I get my rifle back that may change, but we all know that will never happen. 

Rtspring

Just more dramatic histrionics.  There really should be a header all for you

Come walk in my shoes, or hey maybe you could even add something to the thread. Instead of big words.. 

[Bob33]

I've hunted in Washington for my entire life and have yet to have anything but positive experiences with law enforcement officers. I'm sure there are a few bad ones, as there are in most every profession except politics.

Welcome ucwarden.

[popeshawnpaul]

How about we treat them for what they are...human fact finders that report to a prosecutor their findings and leave it at that.  Nothing special or bad unless they earn it.  When or if one steps out of bounds and does something wrong to that regard, we can take them to task about it but I have heard none of that.  I don't care what one person's opinion is to another's opinion on some account one has with law enforcement.  RT, you had your chance to face your accusers and cross examine the officers and opted, smartly, not to do that.  Having them on here to get opinions is nice, but their opinion is generally not relevant unless they are giving an opinion as an expert witness.  I only care what a jury's opinion is.  Talk to an attorney to make sense of RCW's and respect the tough position LE's, prosecutors, and attorneys are in.  I'm sure LE's will support the calling out of any LE that does something unethical.  We see it in all our businesses...their are good and bad people at their job.  Politicians, LE's, attorneys, bankers, etc.  I support the removing of any bad person that does my profession.  I will also stick up for good people that do their job.

[Special T]

Does your book give a broad base of informative changes/recommendations for the WDFW? I know from talking to LEO's I know they complain the most about having to enforce Bad law, or law that is near impossible to because its vague, bad,and/or not well thought out... Mostly suffering from the do something disease. While not all of my experiences with Wardens have been positive i realize the VALUE of having some one in the "know" describe the system.

I have had to educate leo's on the law they are trying to cite me for (Very Carefully and not wildlife related) and its a complete cluster. I have even had Leos tell me that the law is so convoluted and there is NO way i could know or reason WHY i was being messed with.

I appreciate ALL the thoughtful posts from people in the "Know" because it allows me to be informed AND polite. Im  my experience THAT has helped differentiate ME from the total tools out there.

[3nails]

 I wonder how many other wardens are on here? The county I live in has a couple of real good men patrolling the woods. I'd hunt with either one of them in a second.
 I have to share a quick story. Last weekend I was fishing Fort Casey with a buddy and our two sons. At one point I got hot and hooked 6 or 7 fish in a short amount of time. I only landed three but lost the others right at the beach. After landing one of the fish and being caught up in the moment I forgot to mark it down. A couple casts later I remembered and marked it. The fishing slowed down and since the boys had stopped I had them grab the cooler and take it up the hill to the truck while we made a couple of more casts. Well after getting into the truck and putting it in reverse another fisherman hurried over and tapped my window with his wallet. Getting my attention he then flipped it open to reveal his badge! He asked to see our licenses and fish. We stepped out and showed him everything. Looking back I think he may have thought we were trying to be sneaky sending the boys back before us. He was very polite and respectful the whole time. He mentioned that I needed to mark the fish immediately which I sheepishly agreed. He also gave me some advise. Don't wear a white hat while fishing. It's too easy for him to keep track of me.  Great dude and my day was better having the interaction. Wish I would have remembered to ask his name.

[Knocker of rocks]

Outdoor Guardian pretty much got on here and called me a LIAR on more than one account. Yet to this day not one fact from his statements have been found to do anything but bend the facts. Funny how he blasted me on a public forum but never came back when all was said and done!

He is a crook, no if ands or butts! I want every law abiding hunter on here including mods to be aware of that. 

I put all my stuff on here for one reason so that others would learn from the hell I went through! No sir, they get no respect from me.

The day I get my rifle back that may change, but we all know that will never happen. 

Rtspring

Just more dramatic histrionics.  There really should be a header all for you

Come walk in my shoes, or hey maybe you could even add something to the thread. Instead of big words..

Most of what you've written here is just a repeat of how you've been victimized so.

[ucwarden]

Gentlemen:
I am going to call it a night in an hour or so, but I have one last thought.
If one of you, who knows how to work this forum stuff better than me (which would make about all of you), would like to help of get a bunch of people together (organized) to perhaps list the top 10 things they would like to see changed in WDFW (especially enforcement), I will be glad to help polish it up a bit, then we could go forward and try to make some real positive changes.

I have seen it work before.  That is how seasons (between archery, muzzleloader and rifle are set...for example).  It is not a lost cause, but we would have to get everyone to agree enough to try to push through some changes.

I noticed the "Washington for Wildlife" on this website, and maybe that would be a good platform.

Simply complaining on here won't change anything.  An organized group, along with the media can.

Thoughts

[rtspring]

Outdoor Guardian pretty much got on here and called me a LIAR on more than one account. Yet to this day not one fact from his statements have been found to do anything but bend the facts. Funny how he blasted me on a public forum but never came back when all was said and done!

He is a crook, no if ands or butts! I want every law abiding hunter on here including mods to be aware of that. 

I put all my stuff on here for one reason so that others would learn from the hell I went through! No sir, they get no respect from me.

The day I get my rifle back that may change, but we all know that will never happen. 

Rtspring

Just more dramatic histrionics.  There really should be a header all for you

Come walk in my shoes, or hey maybe you could even add something to the thread. Instead of big words..

Most of what you've written here is just a repeat of how you've been victimized so.

And you dont have to read it... Your choice.. 

[ucwarden]

Does your book give a broad base of informative changes/recommendations for the WDFW? I know from talking to LEO's I know they complain the most about having to enforce Bad law, or law that is near impossible to because its vague, bad,and/or not well thought out... Mostly suffering from the do something disease. While not all of my experiences with Wardens have been positive i realize the VALUE of having some one in the "know" describe the system.

I have had to educate leo's on the law they are trying to cite me for (Very Carefully and not wildlife related) and its a complete cluster. I have even had Leos tell me that the law is so convoluted and there is NO way i could know or reason WHY i was being messed with.

I appreciate ALL the thoughtful posts from people in the "Know" because it allows me to be informed AND polite. Im  my experience THAT has helped differentiate ME from the total tools out there.

Unfortunately, it does not.  I focus more on what was wrong with the WDFW admistration, than the laws in the book

[MacAttack]

Welcome ucwarden.

[Special T]

Does your book give a broad base of informative changes/recommendations for the WDFW? I know from talking to LEO's I know they complain the most about having to enforce Bad law, or law that is near impossible to because its vague, bad,and/or not well thought out... Mostly suffering from the do something disease. While not all of my experiences with Wardens have been positive i realize the VALUE of having some one in the "know" describe the system.

I have had to educate leo's on the law they are trying to cite me for (Very Carefully and not wildlife related) and its a complete cluster. I have even had Leos tell me that the law is so convoluted and there is NO way i could know or reason WHY i was being messed with.

I appreciate ALL the thoughtful posts from people in the "Know" because it allows me to be informed AND polite. Im  my experience THAT has helped differentiate ME from the total tools out there.

Unfortunately, it does not.  I focus more on what was wrong with the WDFW administration, than the laws in the book

Then i Think that is a great way that you can contribute with out having  do as much responding. Just think of it as presenting a potential problem and a simple remedy...  YOU already stated your greatest asset to us. You can call it as you see it unencumbered by WDFW politics.

[ucwarden]

Welcome ucwarden.

Thanks

[ucwarden]

I wonder how many other wardens are on here? The county I live in has a couple of real good men patrolling the woods. I'd hunt with either one of them in a second.
 I have to share a quick story. Last weekend I was fishing Fort Casey with a buddy and our two sons. At one point I got hot and hooked 6 or 7 fish in a short amount of time. I only landed three but lost the others right at the beach. After landing one of the fish and being caught up in the moment I forgot to mark it down. A couple casts later I remembered and marked it. The fishing slowed down and since the boys had stopped I had them grab the cooler and take it up the hill to the truck while we made a couple of more casts. Well after getting into the truck and putting it in reverse another fisherman hurried over and tapped my window with his wallet. Getting my attention he then flipped it open to reveal his badge! He asked to see our licenses and fish. We stepped out and showed him everything. Looking back I think he may have thought we were trying to be sneaky sending the boys back before us. He was very polite and respectful the whole time. He mentioned that I needed to mark the fish immediately which I sheepishly agreed. He also gave me some advise. Don't wear a white hat while fishing. It's too easy for him to keep track of me.  Great dude and my day was better having the interaction. Wish I would have remembered to ask his name.

Was he young, thin and 6'4" + or older, stocky and mostly bald?

[Elkaholic daWg]

A few of you have seen my posts of the last couple of days.  I am brand new to this forum stuff, so forgive me if I get something wrong when trying to post.

Welcome aboard.

 Yes,welcome.
But look out ucwarden.....there are resource LEO's on here that take exception to calling wildlife LEO's "game wardens"