Thurston County Wolf

[KFhunter]

I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html

[mulehunter]

 

[Becky]

Certainly possible, unlikely any of the wolfers follow the genetics close enough to accomplish it.  Sixth generation would be more than 98%, getting exactly 98% would take some careful back crosses.

  I've done a lot of research of domesticated/hybrid bred animals back in the day. I used to have a bengal cat and wanted a savannah cat - that stemmed my fascination. Anyways all that aside, to get past the laws in this state in order to own a "wolf" it has to be a hybrid. 98% is extremely steep and he has SEVERAL (read through the news article I posted last, he breeds them). To maintain this high of percentage, there are lots of near-wolf generations there to continue that breeding. It's not a simple F1 breeding.

[AspenBud]

I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html

You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.

People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.

[KFhunter]

I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html

You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.

People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.

This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile.   

You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid?   I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample 

So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf. 


If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA? 


 

[bearpaw]

I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html

You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.

People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.

This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile.   

You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid?   I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample 

So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf. 


If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?

   exactly right

[lokidog]

If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?

If this was attacking my dog, it looks like an aggressive dog attacking my pet, IT IS GOING DOWN, I don't give a crap what it looks like or might be or where I might be.   

[WAcoyotehunter]

pretty fat looking.  I wouldn't want that thing in my yard...

[bearpaw]

There were hybrids turned loose in GMU 121, half the county knows the story, I seriously wonder if the huckleberry pack is 98%?

[bobcat]

There needs to be a new law to ban the possession of hybrid wolves. There's no logical reason why anyone should have a hybrid wolf. Besides, how the heck do you get a hybrid? You would have to start out by breeding a wolf to a dog. How is that legal?


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[JLS]

There needs to be a new law to ban the possession of hybrid wolves. There's no logical reason why anyone should have a hybrid wolf. Besides, how the heck do you get a hybrid? You would have to start out by breeding a wolf to a dog. How is that legal?


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I completely agree.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

There needs to be a new law to ban the possession of hybrid wolves. There's no logical reason why anyone should have a hybrid wolf. Besides, how the heck do you get a hybrid? You would have to start out by breeding a wolf to a dog. How is that legal?


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I completely agree.

I also agree. It is illegal to possess hybrids in Alaska.

[snowpack]

I wouldn't support a new law on banning wolf pets, I would go in the other direction--modifying/reducing the existing laws such that 'wolves' can be killed year round with no bag limit.

[AspenBud]

I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html

You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.

People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.

This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile.   

You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid?   I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample 

So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf. 


If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?

No need to be sore. I agree with you.

But my point is you can't claim you saw wolves released when you did not. You saw hybrids released. They are not the Canadian wolves that wolfbait et al hoot about and those hybrids were not part of some government plot.
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[KFhunter]

I don't know what they were,  they could have been a true wolf or a hybrid - I accidently forgot my secret DNA decoder ring I got from a box of cracker jacks.
Those secret rings were all the rage in 1983.

Hybrid or not, they kill animals and domestic livestock just like a real wolf does and we can't control them because we don't know they aren't real wolves.  The risk is far too great to make a mistake and shoot a real wolf thinking it was a hybrid.


Say what do you get when you cross an escaped 98% hybrid with a real wolf?   I don't know either, but I can tell you they'll act just like a real wolf.