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jon, future wildlife biologist? let me let you in on a secret most wildlife biologists know. its a herd not a heard.
Quote from: deaner on January 14, 2014, 10:13:21 PMjon, future wildlife biologist? let me let you in on a secret most wildlife biologists know. its a herd not a heard. Spell check awesome invention for me "my spelling sucks"
Quote from: jon.brown509 on January 14, 2014, 10:16:33 PMQuote from: deaner on January 14, 2014, 10:13:21 PMjon, future wildlife biologist? let me let you in on a secret most wildlife biologists know. its a herd not a heard. Spell check awesome invention for me "my spelling sucks" Personally, I don't care how bad your spelling is as long as I can without too much effort understand the meaning. I'll be the last one to chide a person for spelling or grammatical errors. If you can just put a little more effort into it though it would help. I won't spend a lot of time deciphering gibberish.
I don't care about the grand YNP ecology experiment other than it's spilled out off the park and now we got to deal with it. If wolves stayed in the park and were managed to a reasonable number that'd be fantastic - but they aren't.
Quote from: KFhunter on January 14, 2014, 10:15:16 PMI don't care about the grand YNP ecology experiment other than it's spilled out off the park and now we got to deal with it. If wolves stayed in the park and were managed to a reasonable number that'd be fantastic - but they aren't.Believe it or not, I would be perfectly happy if the wolves had remained in YNP too. I used to have many of the same fears that you do now. If you had told me 18 years ago that I could hunt within miles of YNP and be into elk six days of a seven day hunt, I probably would have scoffed at you in the same way many of you do to me.
Your post flirts with coherent thought but never quite achieves it.
Quote from: KFhunter on January 14, 2014, 04:44:32 PMThe Bison and Elk behave a lot like range cattle, something I know a little about. They stay down where it's safe. Much like Yellowstone, the Bison and Elk will literally hug people and activity to get away from the wolves, the park service will haze the wolves to keep them out of people areas creating safe zones where people view wildlife. You didn't say if you hiked way back, but I think a guy will only get a very small picture of the park from the blacktop and tourist areas. Well, we weren't on the blacktop. We had skiied several miles back into the original wolf central, the Lamar Valley.I've been hearing this apocalyptic prediction now for almost 20 years. You guys can do all you want to try and dispell the importance of habitat. Knock yourselves out.You can ridicule those of us who don't believe the doomsday predictions. The reality is I can cite you many instances where there are wolves and there are still deer and elk after many years.I'm with Idaho. You guys keep rattling on about the doom and gloom and I'll keep hunting elk.
The Bison and Elk behave a lot like range cattle, something I know a little about. They stay down where it's safe. Much like Yellowstone, the Bison and Elk will literally hug people and activity to get away from the wolves, the park service will haze the wolves to keep them out of people areas creating safe zones where people view wildlife. You didn't say if you hiked way back, but I think a guy will only get a very small picture of the park from the blacktop and tourist areas.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on January 13, 2014, 07:39:22 AMAccording to this article Aspenbud, you're off. The increase in deer population is due to habitat changes created by the oil boom. The caribou are being killed off by the wolves.An example this morning of a common blog attack is Cry Wolf: An Unethical Oil Story. DeSmogBlog. Carol Linnitt.The facts are basically these. Note that this does not follow the exact same logic as “Cry Wolf” above. Alberta has already killed 500 wolves using poison bait and the entire array of methods that conservationist hate. This includes strychnine which kills all the scavengers too. The planned wolf cull is to kill 6000 wolves over the next 5 years. Why? All the industrial activity in the northern forest creates deer habitat. A big increase in deer, creates more wolves to eat them. Mountain caribou are also edible, but usually not bothered much by wolves due to their rarity. However, the larger wolf population means more caribou get eaten as what we might call “by-catch,” to use a fishing example. Mountain caribou can’t stand this pressure even though the absolute number of caribou killed is small. So the big wolf killing program is the government-dirty oil complex’s effort to save the caribou.""A big increase in deer, creates more wolves to eat them." Not the other way around.Your article is from someone hoping to shift the blame from industry to wolves as far as the woodland caribou go. Here's a paper on the real causes of decline. Most of it relates to human activity and development, predators are a side factor.http://www.borealcanada.ca/pr/documents/IBCCcariboubackgrounder.pdfHere are some relevant quotes."The expansion of cities and industrial development slowly extinguished southern populations to the point where today they have been wiped out of about 50% of their historical range, now almost exclusively occupying the northern, intact portions of the boreal forest. Their inability to coexist with extensive disturbances and need for older forests indicate that only by protecting remaining large, intact portions of their habitat will we be successful at reversing this troubling decline.""Woodland caribou require large expanses of intact and undisturbed habitat.""during the vulnerable calving period, females distribute themselves widely across the boreal landscape so that on average there is a one female per sixteen square kilometres.""Predators such as wolves, bears, and hunters are often blamed for the woodland caribou’s decline, but predation is only a proximate cause. The ultimate causes of woodland caribou decline virtually all stem from the ramifications of industrialnatural resource development activities.""Habitat loss from logging and other industrial activities poses by far the largest threat.""Viable herds almost exclusively reside in regions with little to no disturbances, whereas extirpated or declining populationsare associated with high levels of human impact.""While regulating hunting levels and predator control may be needed for some of the most threatened herds, it cannot overshadow the fact that habitat conservation and minimizing disturbances remain the only viable long-term measures for preserving woodland caribou."So basically, those who want to tear up the habitat for resource extraction are the cause of the decline, but they are shifting the blame to predators so they don't take the heat. Killing off predators is not going to bring woodland caribou back. That's just to take your eyes of the real problem. Woodland caribou require lots of 50 year old and older forest to have a chance.The real sad part is, it's not just animals that are suffering because of the tar sands extraction, the area is causing the local humans to become ill too. That area is a hotbed for cancer and the local natives or first nations are getting involved with lawsuits and protests.
According to this article Aspenbud, you're off. The increase in deer population is due to habitat changes created by the oil boom. The caribou are being killed off by the wolves.An example this morning of a common blog attack is Cry Wolf: An Unethical Oil Story. DeSmogBlog. Carol Linnitt.The facts are basically these. Note that this does not follow the exact same logic as “Cry Wolf” above. Alberta has already killed 500 wolves using poison bait and the entire array of methods that conservationist hate. This includes strychnine which kills all the scavengers too. The planned wolf cull is to kill 6000 wolves over the next 5 years. Why? All the industrial activity in the northern forest creates deer habitat. A big increase in deer, creates more wolves to eat them. Mountain caribou are also edible, but usually not bothered much by wolves due to their rarity. However, the larger wolf population means more caribou get eaten as what we might call “by-catch,” to use a fishing example. Mountain caribou can’t stand this pressure even though the absolute number of caribou killed is small. So the big wolf killing program is the government-dirty oil complex’s effort to save the caribou.""A big increase in deer, creates more wolves to eat them." Not the other way around.
screw the livestock ownersscrew the small herds of elk Hey, as long as you got some Elk to chase around in Idaho right
Quote from: KFhunter on January 14, 2014, 09:43:48 PMThe Disney syndrome is strong in you; you'll make an excellent bio for the defenders of wildlife. Now where is my box of crayons, I'd like to draw a picture too.Say what you want, Yellowstone NP and the Yellowstone Valley from Gardiner to Emigrant were severely overgrazed when the elk herd was at 20k elk.
The Disney syndrome is strong in you; you'll make an excellent bio for the defenders of wildlife. Now where is my box of crayons, I'd like to draw a picture too.
