Letter to Raffle Tag REPOSTED!!!!!

[huntnphool]

To answer your question-

Ethical- Yes
Lazier than me- Yes
If it happened to me would I be frustrated- Yes
Would you find me complaining about it on an internet forum 3 1/2 months later- NO

He may not have been the one who caped it or even got a drop of blood on his hands.  He took the animal in fair chase in accordance to Washington hunting laws.

I don't really believe that Cory is "complaining" about anything.  I think he is spot on to put out there what he saw and let the people know when such events take place. Cory, or any tag holder, has every right to hunt a unit when he or she draws a tag.  These high dollar guys that throw there money around are fine in doing so, but not when others are deterred from setting their own goals with a tag they rightfully earned.  I don't care who you are, how much you paid for a tag, or how many guys you rented to help, every legal hunter with a tag for that unit is entitled to hunt with no questions.  You obviously don't get what Cory was getting at in the beginning of this post.  Its was already said by him and many others that the tag holder did nothing illegal (that he knew of).  The whole point to this post is of ethics and proper care of game.  I don't know why your opinion is based on legality because that is not the issue and never has been.  If you are one of those that believes that the law sets whether something is ethical or not that's fine, but some of us dont see the law as the golden rule of ethics and believe that all hunters have an obligation to the game we hunt.

Fair enough, but Cory is only ASSUMING meat was lost, he does not know how it ended up, and neither does anyone else on here, correct?

 If Cory has some evidence, WDFW investigation report etc. to back up his assumption then hell yes his comments would be justified, but he doesn't, and at this point all it is is slander, and likely why he removed/watered down his original post, to avoid litigation.

[huntnphool]

My guess is the tag holder and the guide could have cared less about the meat , no doubt those guys paying huge money are horn hunting , who are we trying to kid. I'm sure he'd just pay the ticket rather than bust his ass in the heat to pack meat.

Most rich hunters are just inconsiderate *censored*s who have no respect for others.

 And we thought it was the anti hunters that made all the generalities, unbelievable.

[furbearer365]

Nowhere in his post did it say that the meat was left to rot or that it is guaranteed that it was bad.  He simply said that in the condition it was left, he personally found it hard to believe it to be good, I don't understand why that would be illegal for him to say.  He was there and visually saw the conditions of how it was left and what the weather conditions were that day.  Are you saying that he doesn't have the ability or the know how to make a generalization on whether the situation is justified or not? 

[CoryTDF]

 Please Phool make sure to attach all RCW, WAC, AND ALL OTHER LEGAL AND BINDING documents to any and all opinions you may have. You have made it abundantly clear that it is not allowed or accepted to do so without such documentation. You sir are a great American and I can only hope to be more like you some day! God Forbid a free man could form an opinion based on common sense and logic that is just ludicrous!

[huntnphool]

Nowhere in his post did it say that the meat was left to rot or that it is guaranteed that it was bad.  He simply said that in the condition it was left, he personally found it hard to believe it to be good, I don't understand why that would be illegal for him to say.  He was there and visually saw the conditions of how it was left and what the weather conditions were that day.  Are you saying that he doesn't have the ability or the know how to make a generalization on whether the situation is justified or not?

Nope, just saying that starting a thread directed at him and implying that he wasted the meat, and is unethical for doing so is speculation. You even said that his post was "about ethical actions"...

Most of his argument is of ethical actions.

...yet he has no clue if any meat was lost, he assumed it. In my opinion assumption is not worthy of slander.

Now, as for the rest of his rant, again it sounds like sour grapes for having a nice bull sniped out from under him. I agree that would suck, but regardless who he thought he was chatting with, if he gave out information that led to them getting to that bull first....well then....he has nobody to blame but himself and should chalk it up to a lesson learned.

[idahohuntr]

Give me a break phool...first of all you incorrectly apply the term slander...in this case it would be libel.  But before you google those definitions, pull out a copy of the constitution and read the 1st amendment.  He is entitled to speak his mind about how poorly he felt raffle man cared for the meat given the circumstances.  Just because WDFW didn't charge him with waste of game does not diminish his opinion.   

Furthermore, the OP is nearly identical to what is up now...it is not a "watered down" version...you liberals and your threats of litigation crack me up.

There really would be some upside to raffle man suing for libel though...when it got tossed and he had to pay all the legal fees, Cory could probably get a lawyer to submit enough bills to cover the cost of the auction tag 

[huntnphool]

God Forbid a free man could form an opinion based on common sense and logic that is just ludicrous!

Had you based your comment on common sense and logic I wouldn't have said anything, the fact is you based it on assumption and speculation.

[huntnphool]

Give me a break phool...first of all you incorrectly apply the term slander...in this case it would be libel.  But before you google those definitions, pull out a copy of the constitution and read the 1st amendment.  He is entitled to speak his mind about how poorly he felt raffle man cared for the meat given the circumstances.  Just because WDFW didn't charge him with waste of game does not diminish his opinion.   

Furthermore, the OP is nearly identical to what is up now...it is not a "watered down" version...you liberals and your threats of litigation crack me up.

There really would be some upside to raffle man suing for libel though...when it got tossed and he had to pay all the legal fees, Cory could probably get a lawyer to submit enough bills to cover the cost of the auction tag 

Correct, litigation would be "libel" however what he has said is no less "slander".

 First amendment or not, his comments could be used against him, and in my opinion is why he removed them and "watered them down"

 And since you want to bring up the constitution, are you talking about the same document that says we are "innocent until proven guilty", or has it recently been changed to "innocent until assumed guilty?

 Bottom line is he based his entire rant on meat spoiling, of which he has no proof, only assumption. Thats hardly justification for this thread.

[actionshooter]

 Hey guys don't stop now, there isn't crap on TV tonight and I'm learning stuff here. 

[huntnphool]

Hey guys don't stop now, there isn't crap on TV tonight and I'm learning stuff here. 

[JODakota]

Nowhere in his post did it say that the meat was left to rot or that it is guaranteed that it was bad.  He simply said that in the condition it was left, he personally found it hard to believe it to be good, I don't understand why that would be illegal for him to say.  He was there and visually saw the conditions of how it was left and what the weather conditions were that day.  Are you saying that he doesn't have the ability or the know how to make a generalization on whether the situation is justified or not?

Nope, just saying that starting a thread directed at him and implying that he wasted the meat, and is unethical for doing so is speculation. You even said that his post was "about ethical actions"...

Most of his argument is of ethical actions.

...yet he has no clue if any meat was lost, he assumed it. In my opinion assumption is not worthy of slander.

Now, as for the rest of his rant, again it sounds like sour grapes for having a nice bull sniped out from under him. I agree that would suck, but regardless who he thought he was chatting with, if he gave out information that led to them getting to that bull first....well then....he has nobody to blame but himself and should chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Are you seriously this retarded phool? My God man. Like Cory stated,we didn't even have a clue this bull was around. I know for a fact that Cory was ready to plug the first raghorn to come out by this point. This has nothing to do with a "bull sniped from under our noses." You speak like a 14 year boy saying stuff like "haters gunna hate." What are you a child? Speak like a man. I have no idea where the wealth came into play on this subject. I don't give two *censored*s how wealthy this guy is, or how much money he spent on his tags. That's not even a factor. What is a factor is how he, and his guide service behaved...which was piss poor. All your doing now is making yourself out to look like an idiot. Your what, in your 50s or 60s??? Act like it man.

[blacktail luv]

God dang I thought my kids argued about stupid $#|t...

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Curious why, if Cory thought the meat might be wasted he didn't go back to see if it had been retrieved? Without that knowledge, the rest of this conversation is moot.

If that has already been discussed, sorry I missed it.

OK I see that was in the OP that had been deleted.

[JODakota]

Curious why, if Cory thought the meat might be wasted he didn't go back to see if it had been retrieved? Without that knowledge, the rest of this conversation is moot.

If that has already been discussed, sorry I missed it.

We contacted fish and game. That is why. Oh and phool, about the comment about two butthurt archers....we both filled our elk tags.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

OK so if you contacted Fish and Wildlife, then it was up to them to decide if anything had been wasted.  Haven't heard anything from them about this.

Look, I'm all about taking care of your meat before anything else gets taken care of. And I'm not impressed by guys who buy their success by buying Governors tags and hiring a guide. In fact I'm against Governors tags. I'd rather see a raffle than somebody jumping over all the average hunters because he has money.

But unless I had positive proof that the meat was wasted, I wouldn't be blasting this all over the internet months after it happened. You might be right, but if you're not, how are you going to make it up to this guy? Plus this is pretty one sided. He's not here to defend himself. Maybe someone should contact him and see if he wants to respond?