Left over tag drawing for Wa

[RB]

There are a few special permit hunts where there are more permits then hunters, thus a left over, especially on the second deer permits.

I am very supportive of allowing these left over tags go to a first come, first serve sale. If anything it allows somebody to get out and hunt, and brings in more $ to WDFW.

Where on public land is there any tag that has more permits than hunters? The only ones that pop out are the ones highlighted as either private lands or hard access in which case that is the reason there are left over tags because nobody wanted them because they could not get access, or did not know how.

If someone could not hunt a quality tag would it not be better for the WDFW to just issue it to another hunter that had applied for it already? I get the fact it is a waste for someone to throwaway a perfectly good tag, but that is the choice of the person it was issued to.   

[TMortensen]

I for one don't like the idea of returning tags. If you apply for a hunt and get drawn for more than one that's your problem. Basically you've wasted your chance at drawing another year.

I have 10pts going into next year for elk, Last year I opted to use my 8 cow pts for a toutle rifle cow tag, and pts option for bull and quality bull, Basically this gave me a garunteed elk. This year I applied for a Margret archery bull tag with 9pts and pt option for qual, and cow. Now I'll wait another 3 yrs to give myself a decent chance at drawing a quality blues tag.

So by doing this I'm giving myself a chance to draw a special permit hunt about every 3 yrs on average. The system we have now is in favor of the hunter, and allows for some great opportunities to fill the freezer.

I would like to see left over tags go to a first come basis if there are any hunts that have tags left after the draw, but in no way should you be allowed to return your tag (natural disaters excluded)

that's just my

[Bob33]

"Last year I opted to use my 8 cow pts for a toutle rifle cow tag, and pts option for bull and quality bull, Basically this gave me a garunteed elk."

The problem is that it doesn't give you a guaranteed elk....unless you draw. Since draw odds are in many cases very small, many individuals apply in multiple categories hoping to draw one permit. When they draw more than one, the second usually goes to waste. Sure, you can hunt both permits and some do, but if you drew a Blue Mountains bull permit and a cow permit earlier in the season, who in his right mind would tag the cow?

[trophyhunt]

"Last year I opted to use my 8 cow pts for a toutle rifle cow tag, and pts option for bull and quality bull, Basically this gave me a garunteed elk."

The problem is that it doesn't give you a guaranteed elk....unless you draw. Since draw odds are in many cases very small, many individuals apply in multiple categories hoping to draw one permit. When they draw more than one, the second usually goes to waste. Sure, you can hunt both permits and some do, but if you drew a Blue Mountains bull permit and a cow permit earlier in the season, who in his right mind would tag the cow?

exactly, that's why I'd like to see guys have the choice to put unwanted tags back in the system for others to draw.  The state would only gain from this, more revenue for them and less wasted tags and more opportunities for us. 

[Tman]

Some people draw 1 tag and cant use it. I say if you draw a tag, you have 30 days to claim it or it gets redrawn in the same pool of applicants as it was before..no charge..

Then the second round winners should know sometime in early August if they drew or not.

[trophyhunt]

Some people draw 1 tag and cant use it. I say if you draw a tag, you have 30 days to claim it or it gets redrawn in the same pool of applicants as it was before..no charge..

Then the second round winners should know sometime in early August if they drew or not.

the state would need some incentive to do this, and you know an additional app fee would give them just that. I would think 2 weeks is long enough for a guy to decide, we already have to wait too long for results. My 2 cents.

[Tman]

Agreed. Heck i would pay another 50 cents per category to support any costs associated.

Of course 25 of that would cover the person answering the phone saying tough luck to the ones that ddidnt pay attention and missed the deadline.

[steeleywhopper]

I think if a guy draws two special permits for the same species then he should be able to buy a second tag and harvest both animals for the permits drawn. What the heck is the difference if i draw a Dayton bull tag and a 1010 cow tag and fill both or you getting a Dayton bull permit and me a 1010 cow permit and each of us filling it? No difference, two animals hunted and harvested or maybe not harvested. It kills me to see someone draw 2 permits and can only fill one. Basicly one permit wasted that you or I could have potentially drawn.
 So with that being said I am all for letting someone give the permit back to WDFW and having a "left over draw" until they let us shoot a animal for every permit drawn.

[bobcat]

As much as I dislike the new system and all the unnecessary categories, I'd rather they keep it the same. I want consistency from year to year. It works just fine if you know how to work it. If you have lots of points, only apply in one category, per species. If you don't have points, then maybe take your chances and apply in all three. It's fine the way it is, each person just needs to learn how to best use it to their advantage.

[cryder]

having a place to send them is just a better feeling than throwing them out or hangin on to them for some kind of mental theropy ,jeeeee !can I send in previous years too !!! :bash:is somebody garnishing my tag soup ??

[Karl Blanchard]

I would support the idea under the following conditions:

1) You get your points you used on that tag reinstated.

2) No reapplication process.  Just use the existing applicants for that hunt like they used to do with left over multi-season permits.  Ex: Say there are 10 Cowiche rifle cow tags returned.  Us all the unsuccessful applicants for Cowiche rifle cow tags in that draw.

3) There was no extra fee to redraw

There are more tags that go to waste out there than a guy thinks.  Not only people that draw multiple tags but people that draw tags that they end up not being able to hunt with.  Give them the option of returning their tag for their points back.

I had a buddy a few years back that drew a cow tag but his deployment orders got bumped up so he was not going to be able to hunt.  He contacted WDFW about getting a refund or at least his points back and they wouldn't give him a thing.  Lots of tags get wasted every year for absolutely no reason because there are lots of ways that they could be reissued and put to use.  Unfortunately the WDFW is all about revenue and escapement.  Lots of other states put their tags to use, why can't ours?

[Karl Blanchard]

As much as I dislike the new system and all the unnecessary categories, I'd rather they keep it the same. I want consistency from year to year. It works just fine if you know how to work it. If you have lots of points, only apply in one category, per species. If you don't have points, then maybe take your chances and apply in all three. It's fine the way it is, each person just needs to learn how to best use it to their advantage.

Agreed!  The odds of drawing a quality tag are so low that I am not too worried about pulling too many tags.  On the off chance that I draw a cow tag and a bull tag then my excitement over my bull tag is gonna out way my dissapointment of burning a cow permit.  On most of your cow, second doe, and buck tags, the draw odds are pretty consistant so if I know that my odds of pulling one of those tags is high but I have another tag somewhere else that is gonna interfere, I will ghost point the lesser tag.  Gotta know how to play the game.  Its kinda fun actually.  I look forward to permit season.  By the time I get to Washington I have already done about 4 or 5 states already so I am good and warmed up!

[TMortensen]

The system that we have is in favor of the hunter, and if you watch how you apply your getting an opportuntity to hunt a special draw more often.

Applying for every hunt option ex. cow, bull and Quality is a great way of screwing yourself out of future tags.

Lets take wetside units Mt Adams, Margret, and say Winston The average draw for these are. (these are rifle )
Winston cow is 6pts
Coweeman cow 5pts
White River Bull 8pts
Marget bull is 10pts
Mt Adams Quality 12pts
Lewis River 11pts

So lets start with 1pt in 2013
By 2018-2019 your drawing a cow tag
2021-2022 your drawing a Bull tag
 2023-2024 your drawing a cow tag again

[bobcat]

TMortenson,  That's wrong. The average points of the people who drew those permits is just that. It doesn't mean EVERY person with that number of points will draw.

[Chuck83]

The most dumb thing the state did was put the average points to draw. You can not base draw result off if it, it just a number that is irrelevant to our point system.