what are you changing in your pack for'14

[dreamingbig]

Looks very thorough!


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[Rob]

Where did you take that class Rob?

I took it through the Mountianeers.  The class was held at their SandPoint Way facility.  I signed up on the Mountieers Website:
http://www.mountaineers.org

You can also go directly to Remote Medical International
http://www.remotemedical.com/

[Rob]

Ok...so are you planning on bringing all that into a backcountry situation?


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Not sure I follow the intent of your question.

Planning on something very close to the list I posted and having a smaller kit built for my daypack.  Should take up about 1 to 1.5 liters of space and come in around 1.82 lbs total.  my current kit is about 3/4 of a liter in size and .688 lbs.  The item count seems high, but 70 or so of the items are individual pills like Tylenol, ibuprofen, etc and will basically occupy a pill bottle.

I have been shedding weight at every turn for the past couple years, the idea of adding a pound is not exciting to me, however being able to help myself or a friend in danger is worth it.

But to each their own.  It is a rather personal decision.

[Bean Counter]

I intend to increase the amount of food and drinks I take into the backwoods....

I've been cutting the amount of food and water I bring. I've found that id rather go all day on a big breakfast and a big dinner with only minimal snacks during the day. I suppose it depends on what style of hunting you're doing for the day though.

[fillthefreezer]

Ok...so are you planning on bringing all that into a backcountry situation?


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Not sure I follow the intent of your question.

Planning on something very close to the list I posted and having a smaller kit built for my daypack.  Should take up about 1 to 1.5 liters of space and come in around 1.82 lbs total.  my current kit is about 3/4 of a liter in size and .688 lbs.  The item count seems high, but 70 or so of the items are individual pills like Tylenol, ibuprofen, etc and will basically occupy a pill bottle.

I have been shedding weight at every turn for the past couple years, the idea of adding a pound is not exciting to me, however being able to help myself or a friend in danger is worth it.

But to each their own.  It is a rather personal decision.

i think i follow his line of thought. that seems like alot of stuff that is either A. a lot of stuff highly unlikely to be necessary B. something that can be improvised from a multipurpose item.

if you can handle adding the weight or it makes you feel better, by all means take it, its just a slippery slope when it comes to what-if items, which im sure youre aware of

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Ya...I just don't understand why you need band aids, gauze, surgical mask, barrier, etc.

Duct tape and clothes cover most of that.

Scalpel? Buy a havalon.

Things like that.


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[Rob]

I get that and agree to some extent.  There are a few things in there I may not need-most of them I pray I never need!

I think a lot of people see a big list of stuff that I put in a pack and say wow, that's a lot of stuff, you must really overpack!  But I bet if they (honestly) listed every single item out line by line, they would get a similar list.  I also expect that many people think they have an overnight pack that weighs 35 lbs, but once they get done packing it, putting water in it, and adding the last minute items, they end up closer to 40-45 pounds.  Perception and reality are often different.

I'm betting that a look at that list would make you think that it would occupy a stuffed gallon ziplock bag or larger.  I think it is going to be less than half of that - and weigh about the same as 14 ounces of water.  So would you carry a can of pop and an airline shot of booze with you on every hike if you thought it might save someone's life?

My list lives in Excel and is part of a larger packing list that I have.  I can pack my backpack in excel before I even start looking at gear and it will end up within 1/4 of a pound of my estimated weight when done.  I almost never forget something at home!

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

I get that and agree to some extent.  There are a few things in there I may not need-most of them I pray I never need!

I think a lot of people see a big list of stuff that I put in a pack and say wow, that's a lot of stuff, you must really overpack!  But I bet if they (honestly) listed every single item out line by line, they would get a similar list.  I also expect that many people think they have an overnight pack that weighs 35 lbs, but once they get done packing it, putting water in it, and adding the last minute items, they end up closer to 40-45 pounds.  Perception and reality are often different.

I'm betting that a look at that list would make you think that it would occupy a stuffed gallon ziplock bag or larger.  I think it is going to be less than half of that - and weigh about the same as 14 ounces of water.  So would you carry a can of pop and an airline shot of booze with you on every hike if you thought it might save someone's life?

My list lives in Excel and is part of a larger packing list that I have.  I can pack my backpack in excel before I even start looking at gear and it will end up within 1/4 of a pound of my estimated weight when done.  I almost never forget something at home!

I guess my point is you can shave .6 pounds by dumping every single bandage in your list.

I keep gloves in my kill kit and a havalon, more weight savings.

Barrier and mask? I can deal with a cold and my hunting partner doesn't have any communicable diseases.

My first aid contains:

Quick clot
Duct table
Ibprofune
Benadryl
Tylenol PM

I can't imagine a realistic scenario where something else could save my life in time for a rescuer to get to me.

But, it's your back and legs so knock yourself out!


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[Rob]

Ya...I just don't understand why you need band aids, gauze, surgical mask, barrier, etc.

Duct tape and clothes cover most of that.

Scalpel? Buy a havalon.

Things like that.


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Yeah, Surgical mask is probably not needed.  But the idea of having to give CPR and having someone vomit in my mouth makes me want the barrier...  I don't want to swap out my hunting knife for a havalon, and a scalpel is a lot lighter than adding another knife.  Cutting a flap of skin off or working on dressing a nasty blister with a hunting knife that I just finished cleaning a deer with is not on my list.  Could use clothing to sop up blood and make a bandage, but 4x4 gauze are sterile, weigh 40 grains according to my reloading scale, and doesn't stick to wounds so why not?  Probably could ditch the band-aids...  those are more of a nice to have.

[Rob]

your hunting partner does not have any communicable diseases, but what about the guy you find on the trail?

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Like I said, it's your back and legs!

Just seems like you have a lot of GIF items in your first aid kit.

The chance of running into a random person on the trail in a save able situation and that person having a contract able disease are beyond remote IMO and for me it's a risk I'm willing to take!

But good on you man!


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[300rum]

Don't cut a blister, just put duct tape over it.  You should put duct tape over it when it is a hot spot anyway.

If you are in the woods, don't bother with CPR, it won't work. 

Ya...I just don't understand why you need band aids, gauze, surgical mask, barrier, etc.

Duct tape and clothes cover most of that.

Scalpel? Buy a havalon.

Things like that.


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Yeah, Surgical mask is probably not needed.  But the idea of having to give CPR and having someone vomit in my mouth makes me want the barrier...  I don't want to swap out my hunting knife for a havalon, and a scalpel is a lot lighter than adding another knife.  Cutting a flap of skin off or working on dressing a nasty blister with a hunting knife that I just finished cleaning a deer with is not on my list.  Could use clothing to sop up blood and make a bandage, but 4x4 gauze are sterile, weigh 40 grains according to my reloading scale, and doesn't stick to wounds so why not?  Probably could ditch the band-aids...  those are more of a nice to have.

[7mag.]

Thanks for the info, Rob, I appreciate it.

[300rum]

I must say that I don't mind packing in with people who want to carry the kitchen sink in with them.   

[Mxracer532]

Well since I have never been on a back country hunt I changed everything.
Horn hunter full curl system pack
Bass pro Enduraskin base layers
Predator adrenaline series jacket & pants, Henley 1/4 zip shirt
Foxriver sock liners
Frogg Toggs rain gear
Spork
Small light bowl & cup
I was going to get the H20 bladder for my Horn hunter pack but my friend and several others I see dont like them and use Nalgene water bottles.
Those are the main things to go with a big list of changes.

Oh I also ditched the heavy knives last yr and got a Havalon