Alberta wolf bounties

[bearpaw]

http://www.pinedaleonline.com/news/2014/02/AlbertaWolfBounties.htm

Alberta wolf bounties
 
by Cat Urbigkit, Pinedale Online! February 13, 2014
 
Conservationists are calling for a halt to the wolf bounty system used in Alberta – which pays up to $500 per wolf killed in the province. Last spring, bounties were paid on more than 600 wolves killed in Alberta.
 
Wildlife biologists say that instead of a bounty system, wildlife managers should establish systems utilizing predator control officers to target wolves that prey on livestock, as is done in Wyoming.
 
To read more, check the link below.
 http://globalnews.ca/news/1142366/scientists-criticize-alberta-wolf-bounties/

Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

[Bean Counter]

$500 per animal! 

I wonder if someone could make a full time job out of that!?

[Skyvalhunter]

 
Wildlife biologists say that instead of a bounty system, wildlife managers should establish systems utilizing predator control officers to target wolves that prey on livestock, as is done in Wyoming.

Sounds like the tree hugging biologists we have here in Wa.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

No kidding like you didn't know that was going to happen

[steen]

Seems to me that is the most economical way to do it ($500.00 per wolf).  You are not paying someone for hours of time, government wages but instead for the end result! The hunter gets his wolf and the gov't gets a wolf gone.

[pianoman9701]

 
Wildlife biologists say that instead of a bounty system, wildlife managers should establish systems utilizing predator control officers to target wolves that prey on livestock, as is done in Wyoming.

Sounds like the tree hugging biologists we have here in Wa.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

No kidding like you didn't know that was going to happen

Didn't you know? Wolves will bring back balance to nature. We'll soon have a post which says so, I have little doubt.

[pd]

Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

Dale, the more that I think about wolves, the more I am inclined to believe that this will all work out well in the end.  Call me an optimist (well, call me anything that you like  ), the evidence will eventually become so overwhelming that even the deluded will someday awaken from their stupor.

I might be stretching the analogy a bit, but the introduction of Canadian grey wolves into the wilds of Washington by those harboring fantasies from a Disney movie ("Oh, wouldn't it be so nice to have all the wild animals living in harmony together...") reminds me of the fantasies held by the Drys at the start of Prohibition ("If we just ban alcohol, then all of our problems with poverty, family strife, vagrancy, and sloth will just disappear...").

At some point, even those who deeply yearn for a utopian outcome will come to the realization that nature does not operate according to their desires.  The gentleman from AB Fish & Game makes the point that unrestricted growth of the wolf population can generate its own momentum, which eventually leads to chaos.  Even here in WA the adult population will eventually come to a similar conclusion.

In the meantime, bang away.

[bearpaw]

Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

Dale, the more that I think about wolves, the more I am inclined to believe that this will all work out well in the end.  Call me an optimist (well, call me anything that you like  ), the evidence will eventually become so overwhelming that even the deluded will someday awaken from their stupor.

I might be stretching the analogy a bit, but the introduction of Canadian grey wolves into the wilds of Washington by those harboring fantasies from a Disney movie ("Oh, wouldn't it be so nice to have all the wild animals living in harmony together...") reminds me of the fantasies held by the Drys at the start of Prohibition ("If we just ban alcohol, then all of our problems with poverty, family strife, vagrancy, and sloth will just disappear...").

At some point, even those who deeply yearn for a utopian outcome will come to the realization that nature does not operate according to their desires.  The gentleman from AB Fish & Game makes the point that unrestricted growth of the wolf population can generate its own momentum, which eventually leads to chaos.  Even here in WA the adult population will eventually come to a similar conclusion.

In the meantime, bang away.

  I'm an optimist too and I agree, in the long run people will learn just as they have before.

[pianoman9701]

Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

Dale, the more that I think about wolves, the more I am inclined to believe that this will all work out well in the end.  Call me an optimist (well, call me anything that you like  ), the evidence will eventually become so overwhelming that even the deluded will someday awaken from their stupor.

I might be stretching the analogy a bit, but the introduction of Canadian grey wolves into the wilds of Washington by those harboring fantasies from a Disney movie ("Oh, wouldn't it be so nice to have all the wild animals living in harmony together...") reminds me of the fantasies held by the Drys at the start of Prohibition ("If we just ban alcohol, then all of our problems with poverty, family strife, vagrancy, and sloth will just disappear...").

At some point, even those who deeply yearn for a utopian outcome will come to the realization that nature does not operate according to their desires.  The gentleman from AB Fish & Game makes the point that unrestricted growth of the wolf population can generate its own momentum, which eventually leads to chaos.  Even here in WA the adult population will eventually come to a similar conclusion.

In the meantime, bang away.

  I'm an optimist too and I agree, in the long run people will learn just as they have before.

I don't think they will. The majority live in the city and will never be adversely affected by wolves. They don't understand that their McD's hamburgers come from cattle. They think they come from the freezer. They don't understand "why people move to the country if they hate wildlife", and on and on. It's going to take an awful lot to convince the majority of a problem and by then, it'll so far gone it's not funny.

[KFhunter]

People that live in rural areas will be law breakers at that point P-man, they'll poison everything including birds of prey with loafs of meat/blood blended with strychnine laced gopher bait.


http://www.solutionsstores.com/Gopher_Bait_50_p/gopher-bait-50.htm
It'll turn everyone into little versions of breaking bad, cooking this stuff up in their garages     

[wolfbait]

Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said.

Dale, the more that I think about wolves, the more I am inclined to believe that this will all work out well in the end.  Call me an optimist (well, call me anything that you like  ), the evidence will eventually become so overwhelming that even the deluded will someday awaken from their stupor.

I might be stretching the analogy a bit, but the introduction of Canadian grey wolves into the wilds of Washington by those harboring fantasies from a Disney movie ("Oh, wouldn't it be so nice to have all the wild animals living in harmony together...") reminds me of the fantasies held by the Drys at the start of Prohibition ("If we just ban alcohol, then all of our problems with poverty, family strife, vagrancy, and sloth will just disappear...").

At some point, even those who deeply yearn for a utopian outcome will come to the realization that nature does not operate according to their desires.  The gentleman from AB Fish & Game makes the point that unrestricted growth of the wolf population can generate its own momentum, which eventually leads to chaos.  Even here in WA the adult population will eventually come to a similar conclusion.

In the meantime, bang away.

  I'm an optimist too and I agree, in the long run people will learn just as they have before.

I don't think they will. The majority live in the city and will never be adversely affected by wolves. They don't understand that their McD's hamburgers come from cattle. They think they come from the freezer. They don't understand "why people move to the country if they hate wildlife", and on and on. It's going to take an awful lot to convince the majority of a problem and by then, it'll so far gone it's not funny.

The USFWS introduced wolves into the hardest states first, meaning the state that would not allow wolves if the truth would have been known. That being said with 18 years of proven lies For the introduction and after the introduction, where are we today?

I'm sure the truth will be known by many before the wolves are finished, but what will states with wolves have left? And who will be held accountable? Not a One.

[wolfbait]

People who are not affected by wolves, and or believe the propganda by the pro-wolfers rule the voting class. The only true wolf management will come from people who SS, which is right up there with very little management.  Look at the cougar problem many in WA are having now, and WDFW's response. Instead of management that would improve hunting etc. they promote what is seen on TV by the BBC or Walt-dizzy Then we have DoW who are in the fight for suing and begging money from those who are clueless,  Constipated NW who partner up with WDFW, and spread the same lies that the USFWS started out with. All of which have been proven to be lies.

There will not be any true management of wolves ever in WA, many of you need to quit dreaming. Or maybe you should just calm down and wait for delisting.

[hunter399]

There will not be any true management of wolves ever in WA, many of you need to quit dreaming. Or maybe you should just calm down and wait for delisting.

I agree with that when delisting comes it will be up to us as hunter/farmer/rancher/trapper/ect. to take some of that management problems on.Look at the way coyote hunting has taken off the past couple years.Maybe someday there be no limit on wolves in washington then it will be game on.

[AspenBud]

There will not be any true management of wolves ever in WA, many of you need to quit dreaming. Or maybe you should just calm down and wait for delisting.

I agree with that when delisting comes it will be up to us as hunter/farmer/rancher/trapper/ect. to take some of that management problems on.Look at the way coyote hunting has taken off the past couple years.Maybe someday there be no limit on wolves in washington then it will be game on.

If that happens you probably won't have year round coyote hunting anymore. One will likely replace the other.

[pianoman9701]

There will not be any true management of wolves ever in WA, many of you need to quit dreaming. Or maybe you should just calm down and wait for delisting.

I agree with that when delisting comes it will be up to us as hunter/farmer/rancher/trapper/ect. to take some of that management problems on.Look at the way coyote hunting has taken off the past couple years.Maybe someday there be no limit on wolves in washington then it will be game on.

If that happens you probably won't have year round coyote hunting anymore. One will likely replace the other.

That'll be just fine. I wish we could replace those seasons today.

[hunter399]

I think wolves will be a permit draw just like moose,spring bear,ect.WDFW has to make there money.And the tag counld be whatever they say.It might 100.00 dollors a tag if u get drawed.Coyotes will stay the same as far as limit.There just too smart,they been traped,hunted without limits for years a still thirve today.Its kinda a proven fact.