PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[stevemiller]

The reg book says they can if your hunting or fishing.so dont tell them your doing either.if you dont want them to.me I dont care im legal look away.have a nice day.

[WSU]

The reg book says they can if your hunting or fishing.so dont tell them your doing either.if you dont want them to.me I dont care im legal look away.have a nice day.

I encourage you to read the opinion.  The reg book doesn't control whether it's legal or not.

[HntnFsh]

I have a feeling this is going to start getting pretty interesting. Maybe a little collateral damage control going on now.

[ballpark]

It is legal for him to search your vehicle if you are hunting.

No it is not legal.  Read the 9th District Court of Appeals decision, and all the precident quoted .  The officer must have cause.  Just because you are hunting does not give an officer the right to search your vehicle without a warrant.

[idahohuntr]

UC - I was critical of your original letter and did not think it provided merit for your claims of removal.  Reading briefly the attachment, this is exactly the kind of information that I think should/could lead to some firing.  I would be very curious to hear WDFW admin, Chief Crown etc. explain or condone Cenci's behavior based on this case and if/how he was/will be disciplined!!!!

Either way, I have a feeling a lot of our license dollars are going to be spent paying off the lawsuit which I am sure will be coming immediately.

I thought the ruling was that Cenci et al. are not protected from lawsuits because they violated the rights of these guys, thus making them personally liable for any subsequent legal action?  Even if these guys don't get fired it will be comforting to know their retirement could be ruined with huge lawsuit debts 

[bigtex]

UC - I was critical of your original letter and did not think it provided merit for your claims of removal.  Reading briefly the attachment, this is exactly the kind of information that I think should/could lead to some firing.  I would be very curious to hear WDFW admin, Chief Crown etc. explain or condone Cenci's behavior based on this case and if/how he was/will be disciplined!!!!

Either way, I have a feeling a lot of our license dollars are going to be spent paying off the lawsuit which I am sure will be coming immediately.

I thought the ruling was that Cenci et al. are not protected from lawsuits because they violated the rights of these guys, thus making them personally liable for any subsequent legal action?  Even if these guys don't get fired it will be comforting to know their retirement could be ruined with huge lawsuit debts 

Some of the officers mentioned were granted qualified immunity. But the court said Chadwick and Cenci were basically free game.

Now I will say most LEOs do have professional liability insurance, basically similar to malpractice insurance for doctors.

For several hundred dollars a year I get a policy which includes up to $200,000 towards legal council on administrative investigations, and $100,000 towards legal council on criminal investigations. In addition, my policy pays up to $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 (depending on the policy) in the event I am sued and found liable for a personal capacity lawsuit, commonly referred to as a constitutional tort or Bivens action.  The policy will appoint an attorney to defend md in the lawsuit.  The policy may also appoint coverage counsel to monitor DOJ's defense of me, or if DOJ is on the fence as to whether it will defend, the policy may hire coverage counsel to convince DOJ to provide the defense.  Note: this defense amount is separate and distinct and not subject to the defense limits of the administrative and criminal provisions.

[Special T]

WOW just got done reading that case summery attached to your post USWARDEN.

Apparently Ticketing a "Mentaly Slow" person fishing with a broken pole and Beef jerky taped to it arent the only questionable things he has been up to.

[bigtex]

WOW just got done reading that case summery attached to your post USWARDEN.

Apparently Ticketing a "Mentaly Slow" person fishing with a broken pole and Beef jerky taped to it arent the only questionable things he has been up to.

I think you are a little confused. The officer who cited the kid with the jerky and broken pole was current Region 4 Captain Alan Myers when he was a field officer in Clarkston. The case summary was regarding Cenci, Sgt Chadwick, and a couple other coastal WDFW LE personnel...

[Special T]

Thats right..  I stand corrected. I hate it when i mix stuff that like that up! 

[stevemiller]

Any news on these actions?

[ucwarden]

Nothing.  The Governor's office has never even bothered to acknowledge receipt of my letter.  The WDFW Commission received my letter, but never even asked for the supporting documentation.  Out of all the 50+ legislators I have contacted on one has shown any interest, but as far as I can tell nothing much has happened there either.
I guess it's true; you can't fight city hall (or in this case, a state agency).

[KFhunter]

Nothing.  The Governor's office has never even bothered to acknowledge receipt of my letter.  The WDFW Commission received my letter, but never even asked for the supporting documentation.  Out of all the 50+ legislators I have contacted on one has shown any interest, but as far as I can tell nothing much has happened there either.
I guess it's true; you can't fight city hall (or in this case, a state agency).

no without a lot of media and public support

[buckfvr]

Politicians wont do anything that would support the idea that the public can fire or get fired, those that draw their pay from our taxes.  I believe a civilian oversight committee should have gotten those guys money a long time ago.  Until we wrestle some power and say away from the government, we will never be a consideration.  They've got us right where they want us..............knowing full well voting does little to control their pursuit of special interest. 

 

[stevemiller]

An article in the Seattle Times (Lawsuit reflects years of bad blood between state,fishing family)Where the 9th circuit has reopened a lawsuit against them.Anything going on with this still?

[csaaphill]

I noticed it said loss of site on protecting wildlife can you specify what that means and signed!
My opinion would mean to me becoming more about enforcing civilian law rather than game law?
and more and more centralised into enforcing unconstitutinal gun laws would this be a fair assumption?