selling permitt points

[Bob33]

"So please Bob and Bob tell my why his son doesn't deserve his bull points!"

Because they're not his son's.

wow bob33, your really concerned about someone having even the slightest bit of a better chance of drawing a tag than you even though I dont see how it would.... you act as if all the sudden that willing points would throw the permit system into a bigger spin than it already is. It wouldn't even happen but maybe a few times a year.

You're assuming things for which you have no basis.

[idahohuntr]

My brother had a rocket land on his head, severing his left foot, right arm at the bicep, hundreds of lacerations over the surface of his body, rendering his head and face unrecognizable!  So please Bob and Bob tell my why his son doesn't deserve his bull points!  Feel free to use some more smart ass sarcasm in your comments, its much appreciated!

Any service members family who is killed in action in defense of this country deserves a hell of a lot more than some elk points.  If this topic were "Should we allocate special tags to children of service members who were killed in action"...darn right would I be in favor of something like that.  Given quality hunts are such a limited resource those tags would have to come from somewhere and I would be happy to eliminate auction/raffle tags to accomplish this.   

[kentrek]

Just when I thought this convo was getting constructive..lot of ideas floating in the air on this thread


I think all have good intentions

[vandeman17]

What if the "willed" points were only eligible to be used for buck or bull tags and not quality buck, quality bull or OIL? Would that make any difference. I see both sides of the argument and think this could alleviate a few of the downsides. The biggest issue would be separating them so maybe they would be a different kind of point, like an inherited point. So say a guy has 5 points and his gramps leaves him 15. He could still apply for a quality or OIL permit but only using his 5 points and the 15 points would be eligible for buck, bull or doe tags... 

What do you guys think of this idea since much of the debate is about hosing people who have waited and paid for their quality points for a long time?

[Bullkllr]

You know what the WDFW will do if some of these ideas become reality...

1. Raise permit fees again (all licenses, actually)
2. Create a whole new dept. to deal with special permit/points transfers,sales, trades- with new staff, possible assistant director. Probably require a new building.
3. Rule arbitrarily on transfer- in a typical bureaucratic nightmare way- and piss everyone off more than already
4. Cut-back tag numbers severely because wolves ate all the animals- so you'll have to havean extended family willing to grant all their points to one family member to have a chance to draw ("50 points is the new 10!")

In-short... they'll find a way to screw up even the best-intended idea...

[buckcanyonlodge]

I think the wdfw should re-distribute the points of the people that have put in for years and not get drawn and give some of those points to less fortunate hunters that have not spent the time and money to build up their points. We could call it Obamapoints.








Just kidding

[jackmaster]

You know what the WDFW will do if some of these ideas become reality...

1. Raise permit fees again (all licenses, actually)
2. Create a whole new dept. to deal with special permit/points transfers,sales, trades- with new staff, possible assistant director. Probably require a new building.
3. Rule arbitrarily on transfer- in a typical bureaucratic nightmare way- and piss everyone off more than already
4. Cut-back tag numbers severely because wolves ate all the animals- so you'll have to havean extended family willing to grant all their points to one family member to have a chance to draw ("50 points is the new 10!")

In-short... they'll find a way to screw up even the best-intended idea...

i seriously just pissed my shorts 

[fair-chase]

"50 points is the new 10!"

Unfortunately, that will be the case eventually regardless of weather points are passed down or not. Our odds of drawing a tag with a preference points scheme in place go down, not up, every year we apply. If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

But that's not going to happen, because everyone wants an advantage (real or perceived) over the next guy. Some want it because of the financial investment they've made, some to preserve their legacy, and some for the sacrifices they've made. All valid reasons for wanting to keep your perceived advantage. But in the long term, preference points worsen your odds, and no amount of tweaking the system will fix that.

[jackmaster]

"50 points is the new 10!"

Unfortunately, that will be the case eventually regardless of weather points are passed down or not. Our odds of drawing a tag with a preference points scheme in place go down, not up, every year we apply. If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

But that's not going to happen, because everyone wants an advantage (real or perceived) over the next guy. Some want it because of the financial investment they've made, some to preserve their legacy, and some for the sacrifices they've made. All valid reasons for wanting to keep your perceived advantage. But in the long term, preference points worsen your odds, and no amount of tweaking the system will fix that.

damn fairchase brings up the best point of the day, so when my kids kids want to start huntn and this dumb point system is still in play well it will be really unfair because they will start off with no points and everyone else will have a minimum of say 50 or more points how is a new hunter in 30 years ever suppose to be able to draw a special permit  riddle me that 

[vandeman17]

"50 points is the new 10!"

Unfortunately, that will be the case eventually regardless of weather points are passed down or not. Our odds of drawing a tag with a preference points scheme in place go down, not up, every year we apply. If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

But that's not going to happen, because everyone wants an advantage (real or perceived) over the next guy. Some want it because of the financial investment they've made, some to preserve their legacy, and some for the sacrifices they've made. All valid reasons for wanting to keep your perceived advantage. But in the long term, preference points worsen your odds, and no amount of tweaking the system will fix that.

damn fairchase brings up the best point of the day, so when my kids kids want to start huntn and this dumb point system is still in play well it will be really unfair because they will start off with no points and everyone else will have a minimum of say 50 or more points how is a new hunter in 30 years ever suppose to be able to draw a special permit  riddle me that 

Hunt other states and you won't have to worry.   

[bobcat]

If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

[jackmaster]

If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

[idahohuntr]

If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

Something we can all agree on 

[kentrek]

If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

Something we can all agree on 

[Tbob]

Interesting read. Lots of ideas.. I grew up in a house with non-hunting single mom. I started hunting in my late twenties. I've never put in for a draw hunt. I don't even know where "peaches or Dayton or mudflow" even are? I just like to get out and hunt. I'll never buy a point or even put in for one as I know I'll never draw anything at this point. If I really want big antlers that bad, I'll just head out of state. I wanted to go moose hunting once, so I worked extra saved up and went to Ak and shot a moose. Easy as that! The point system and draw rules are just way to confusing for my pee-brain.. OTC tag and a few friends around the campfire and I'm all good.