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Quote from: idahohuntr on May 28, 2014, 10:34:59 AMQuote from: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 09:45:34 AMWDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.I can understand that. I know they took money from CNW to up the wolf poaching reward, but i could see why they would not want a special interest group to have their fingerprints on the data collection efforts. If the Cattlemen have very qualified trappers is there a reason those individuals could not apply to WDFW jobs and just be a WDFW employee? That would seem to resolve the issue if its just a matter of getting the most skilled folks to do the job. Kind of like CNW being at every new wolf pack confirmation? CNW working with WDFW on the range rider program? etc.. No conflict of interest there.If WDFW won't listen to the people they already have in the field, what makes you think they would listen to someone from the cattlemen working for them? I'm sure WDFW could get Carter Niemeyer to trap wolves for them if they were really serious about confirming wolf packs. I think I read somewhere that Carter works with WDFW off and on anyway. WDFW are always saying how the lookout pack is so elusive and they can't catch them, what a joke. What's one more lie from WDFW?
Quote from: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 09:45:34 AMWDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.I can understand that. I know they took money from CNW to up the wolf poaching reward, but i could see why they would not want a special interest group to have their fingerprints on the data collection efforts. If the Cattlemen have very qualified trappers is there a reason those individuals could not apply to WDFW jobs and just be a WDFW employee? That would seem to resolve the issue if its just a matter of getting the most skilled folks to do the job.
WDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.
Quote from: idahohuntr on May 28, 2014, 10:34:59 AMQuote from: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 09:45:34 AMWDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.I can understand that. I know they took money from CNW to up the wolf poaching reward, but i could see why they would not want a special interest group to have their fingerprints on the data collection efforts. If the Cattlemen have very qualified trappers is there a reason those individuals could not apply to WDFW jobs and just be a WDFW employee? That would seem to resolve the issue if its just a matter of getting the most skilled folks to do the job. the REAL trappers did not have Bio degrees that is why they couldnt be hired. But like i said they arn't necessary if a WDFW agent could accompany the trapper.
Quote from: Special T on May 28, 2014, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on May 28, 2014, 10:34:59 AMQuote from: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 09:45:34 AMWDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.I can understand that. I know they took money from CNW to up the wolf poaching reward, but i could see why they would not want a special interest group to have their fingerprints on the data collection efforts. If the Cattlemen have very qualified trappers is there a reason those individuals could not apply to WDFW jobs and just be a WDFW employee? That would seem to resolve the issue if its just a matter of getting the most skilled folks to do the job. the REAL trappers did not have Bio degrees that is why they couldnt be hired. But like i said they arn't necessary if a WDFW agent could accompany the trapper.I think they need to mod the job description/qualifications. Bring the experienced trappers to the front of the line. I see no need (and only problems) with having the Cattlemen furnish one of their own...take the same guy and hire him as a regular wdfw employee...image problem solved, experience problem solved, win-win.
Quote from: idahohuntr on May 28, 2014, 11:00:08 PMQuote from: Special T on May 28, 2014, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on May 28, 2014, 10:34:59 AMQuote from: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 09:45:34 AMWDFW said they turned down the cattlemens trapper was because they didn't want to appear to have favoritism, or appear that their decisions are being swayed by an outside organization.I can understand that. I know they took money from CNW to up the wolf poaching reward, but i could see why they would not want a special interest group to have their fingerprints on the data collection efforts. If the Cattlemen have very qualified trappers is there a reason those individuals could not apply to WDFW jobs and just be a WDFW employee? That would seem to resolve the issue if its just a matter of getting the most skilled folks to do the job. the REAL trappers did not have Bio degrees that is why they couldnt be hired. But like i said they arn't necessary if a WDFW agent could accompany the trapper.I think they need to mod the job description/qualifications. Bring the experienced trappers to the front of the line. I see no need (and only problems) with having the Cattlemen furnish one of their own...take the same guy and hire him as a regular wdfw employee...image problem solved, experience problem solved, win-win. Why would the Cattlemen give funds to the WDFW and NOT get to choose thier experienced trapper?IDHnter you have a very simplistic way of looking at this. There are many ways to slow the process down of documenting wolves so that we effectively have way more wolves than documented.In poker they call the term being Sow Played. You let other people hustle and lead the way only to set yourself up to win in the end... The BP number is arbitrary if there is not a great effort to document wolves. Making excuses and arguing over tactics or reasoning is just delay. Delay IS a tactic that allows more wolves before we can de-list.
As for the cattlemans "experienced trapper".... There is more to a capture effort than just catching a wolf. Drugging, vet work, information gathering, blood draws,... these things require specialized training and WDFW isn't going to risk having to explain why the Cattleman's "experienced trapper" let a wolf die of hyperthermia....
Maybe an arrangement could be made for the in-dependant trapper to be accompanied on trap checking missions by said trained and qualified person from wdfw.
The WDFW has two trappers working. I'm not sure they would want to send a trained person out with the cattleman's trapper. If he needed someone along to do all the technical stuff, he wouldn't exactly be considered "independent".If they wanted to help, they could fund a trapping effort. It sucks, but that's the way it goes.
Quote from: buckfvr on May 29, 2014, 11:31:35 AMMaybe an arrangement could be made for the in-dependant trapper to be accompanied on trap checking missions by said trained and qualified person from wdfw.That is essentially what the Cattlemens association offered up. Some one with the "training" required to ride with the knuckle draggin trapper that cant figure out some basic steps because he is too tainted by cattlemen's $
I think you guys are underestimating the actual size of a wolf packs home range, and also misunderstanding the nature of pack dynamics. Just because two wolves are spotted simultaneously 10 miles (or even 20-30 miles) apart does not mean that there are two wolf packs. A wolf pack is not always together, or even close to one another. They come and go...As for the cattlemans "experienced trapper".... There is more to a capture effort than just catching a wolf. Drugging, vet work, information gathering, blood draws,... these things require specialized training and WDFW isn't going to risk having to explain why the Cattleman's "experienced trapper" let a wolf die of hyperthermia....