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I think what Wolfbait has said is that he has MANY eye witness accounts and interviews, however he does not have pictures or video footage. With out that there is no way to move forward legally. That does not mean he doesn't have evidence, just not enough to drag WDFW into court.
Quote from: Special T on June 02, 2014, 04:25:40 PMQuote from: bobcat on June 02, 2014, 03:38:21 PMWhy is it so hard to believe that with wolves in Idaho and British Columbia, that they would eventually make their way across the border into Washington? Not to mention, we already had wolves. I saw three in the Chiwawa unit in 1990.Here is where my BS meter goes off. "IF" wolves naturally migrated We should be seeing a lot more wolves S of I 90 much quicker than we have. We know that wolves packers were in the Psyden unit in the 90's about the same time wolves were reintroduced into ID and YNP. Wolves have moved West a whole lot quicker than they have moved south in the cascades in the same time frame? Why would that be? To me this defies common sense, and have yet to hear a good argument why.I don't believe there's "enough" wolves in that country to force some to move out and continue moving south of I-90.They'll get there, and when they do...we'll know it. People have been seeing them in the GMU's south of I-90 here and there. They're not going to show up and call a party to announce their presence.
Quote from: bobcat on June 02, 2014, 03:38:21 PMWhy is it so hard to believe that with wolves in Idaho and British Columbia, that they would eventually make their way across the border into Washington? Not to mention, we already had wolves. I saw three in the Chiwawa unit in 1990.Here is where my BS meter goes off. "IF" wolves naturally migrated We should be seeing a lot more wolves S of I 90 much quicker than we have. We know that wolves packers were in the Psyden unit in the 90's about the same time wolves were reintroduced into ID and YNP. Wolves have moved West a whole lot quicker than they have moved south in the cascades in the same time frame? Why would that be? To me this defies common sense, and have yet to hear a good argument why.
Why is it so hard to believe that with wolves in Idaho and British Columbia, that they would eventually make their way across the border into Washington? Not to mention, we already had wolves. I saw three in the Chiwawa unit in 1990.
I don't know what you mean by WDFW wolves and the way they migrate? Please explain to me how new packs form and how/why wolves move to new home ranges... As I understand it....a new pack forms when members of a pack get the boot. They then move to a new home range and form a new pack. East, south, north, west....dunno... How did the pack end up in the Teanaway? Wasn't it the collared female from your neighborhood that ended up down there?Maybe I'm wrong.I guess maybe after I reread your post a couple times I now know what you are inferring when you say "migrate" using the quotes around "migrate". As nobody can show that that actually happened yet, 5 years later... I'm still going with my translation of the word "migrate" in quotes as meaning...they walked their on their own 4 legs. Some people can't figure out how they got across the border into the US from Canada...you know, with border patrol and all...or how they got across the state line from Idaho. Still going with the fact that they walked.
Wolves don't migrate Jack
Please explain to me how new packs form and how/why wolves move(migrate/relocate/expand) to new home ranges...
QuoteWolves don't migrate JackI never used the term "migrate". I used "move". Very generic. expand/migrate/move/relocate Call it what you want. You didn't answer my question.QuotePlease explain to me how new packs form and how/why wolves move(migrate/relocate/expand) to new home ranges...
There's WDFW's insta-pack which is to load a pair of collared mating wolves in the back of a pickup truck and dump them somewhere in WA, And then there is WDFW's pup drop, which only requires one wolf to be collared. There is the relocate phase, which entitles relocating wolf/wolves from one pack to another, that way they can exclaim in shock "look how far a female from the lookout pack traveled, how in the world did she find the Teanaway pack" followed by more shock. There is The Ed Bangs way, drop a bunch of wolves off where wolves haven't ate their way to yet, speeding up the dispersal. And last but not least there is Scott Fitkin's favorite The wolves have NATURALLY MIGRATED, which include all of the above.
Quote from: jackelope on June 03, 2014, 09:22:37 AMQuoteWolves don't migrate JackI never used the term "migrate". I used "move". Very generic. expand/migrate/move/relocate Call it what you want. You didn't answer my question.QuotePlease explain to me how new packs form and how/why wolves move(migrate/relocate/expand) to new home ranges... Actually Jack there isn't just one answers to your question. There's WDFW's insta-pack which is to load a pair of collared mating wolves in the back of a pickup truck and dump them somewhere in WA, And then there is WDFW's pup drop, which only requires one wolf to be collared. There is the relocate phase, which entitles relocating wolf/wolves from one pack to another, that way they can exclaim in shock "look how far a female from the lookout pack traveled, how in the world did she find the Teanaway pack" followed by more shock. There is The Ed Bangs way, drop a bunch of wolves off where wolves haven't ate their way to yet, speeding up the dispersal. And last but not least there is Scott Fitkin's favorite The wolves have NATURALLY MIGRATED, which include all of the above. Then there is the simple wolf way, when wolf pups grow older they disperse with other pups from other packs and form new packs. In all cases WDFW ignore these wolves until the wolves are bad wolves and kill someones livestock or dogs. Then WDFW leap to their feet and race to the scene sometimes days later, they arrive to tell the owner it is too late to tell what killed it as " there was nothing left but a pile of maggots", or if the USFWS is with them they will go with "just hide and hip bones left", something defiantly killed it but not wolves.Mean while the trail cam on the cow is tripping out a different story all together.
The picture of dead Holstein had a very incriminating story. Hired man saw cow with tail up birth sack in evening. Cow dogs go bezerk all night. Hired man heard wolves howling during night. Next morning drove up, saw wolves on hill above cow, calf missing, cow dead, rear end eaten out. I think it was a coyote or Bigfoot and wolves were just watching because they are actually very sweet creatures.