One good reason Challenge

[washelkhunter]

Actually $10k might be too light. Maybe the fine should be tied to the resource damage created, say what ever it costs to restore the resource, plus incarceration and garnishment of future wages, pensions, savings etc.   

[bobcat]

How about a more reasonable fine then- say $1,000, no exceptions.

We also need substantial fines for those who think forest service roads make a good race track.

Maybe confiscate until the fine is paid. That would be fair and create a little leverage to get derelicts to pay the fine I guess. Might not make them smarter or more responsible but at least it would help for a while. I agree on the forest service race track thing.

I like that idea. 


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[RadSav]

I would like to hear 1 good, logically sound, factual reason why street legal ATV's/UTV's should not be allowed to ride on forest service roads that are legally open to other motor vehicles.

Is there such a thing as a street legal ATV in the state of Washington?  About the closest I can think of is a Cushman.

[dontgetcrabs]

It's getting pretty hard to come up with one good reason why to spend a dime in this state buying or renewing your ORV tabs, or for a Discovery Pass for that matter.

I own 3 ATV's. I haven't bought WA ORV tabs for any of them in many years. Last time I did it was over $20 per ATV per year. I buy OR ORV tabs for $10, they are good for 2 years and allow us to ride ,wherever legal of course , in WA, ID, and OR. Also I have never bought a Discover Pass nor will I.

[NOCK NOCK]

I would like to hear 1 good, logically sound, factual reason why street legal ATV's/UTV's should not be allowed to ride on forest service roads that are legally open to other motor vehicles.

Is there such a thing as a street legal ATV in the state of Washington?  About the closest I can think of is a Cushman.

Yes there is Rad, HB1632, went into effect last year. My Can am UTV is street legal... turn signals, horn, mirrors all the way around, headlights, tail lights, lap & shoulder belts, license plate, & registration......

[NOCK NOCK]

You ATV'ers just need to suck your thumbs and  .

Where is the funding for additional leo's and personnel going to come from to educate the public?

You are just sad. Guess what, life isn't fair.

Nice, very mature response, especially the reference to child like behavior, Naches sportsman huh?

[NOCK NOCK]

Well Nyuck Nyuck, ATV's/UTV's are not allowed on the roads because the legislature of WA. St. has decided in their wisdom, and rightly so, that they are not "street legal" and thus cannot be legally licensed to operate on the publics roadways. Which also means the owners cannot purchase the necessary and req'd liability insurance to cover the costs of accidents etc. However it appears that positive change is coming for the ATV community in this regard. Personally I have no issue with them being legally licensed and properly insured to operate on the roads, nor do I take issue with the NFS's to ban and/or restrict the use of them on their roads and trails in the interests of resource and public protection. My arguement has always been with the jackwagons who even tho operation of their rides at all was illegal still manage to showup and commit illegal acts such as riding down closed roads, trails, around barriers and cross country, but still manage to possess the arrogant stupidity that doing so is somehow their right. And then they're righteously indignant after i've bashed in the crankcase of their ride after coming across it deep in forbidden territory! Sheesh, some people eh?    Also the arguement for the use of atv's shouldnt be predicated on the use or misuse of other forms of transport. Dont compare apples to oranges. Im cool with them being legally operated but what I would like to see in place is a say $10,000 fine and confiscation for each infraction of illegal use and that should go for the others as well. Challenge met.

You are wrong my friend. Wa St has passed HB1632, ATV/UTV's can be made street legal now. One can also purchase full coverage insurance for ON & OFF road riding (not a requirement of the law though)
 In WA State motorcycles(Harley's, street bikes,etc.) do not need to have insurance to legally ride on the roads.
LOL on the bashing thing, you the man 

[RadSav]

I would like to hear 1 good, logically sound, factual reason why street legal ATV's/UTV's should not be allowed to ride on forest service roads that are legally open to other motor vehicles.

Is there such a thing as a street legal ATV in the state of Washington?  About the closest I can think of is a Cushman.

Yes there is Rad, HB1632, went into effect last year. My Can am UTV is street legal... turn signals, horn, mirrors all the way around, headlights, tail lights, lap & shoulder belts, license plate, & registration......

And you are saying that CanAm is not legal to ride on forest service roads even when fully licensed?  I apologies for my ignorance on this issue.  Just trying to understand.

[rtspring]

To the discussion of adding fines on the first page, do you know that the money isn't seen by the particular forest the ticket wad written on?

I would like to see something on top of paying a fine. Perhaps for every $100 dollar paid for a fine, the person has to clean 1 culvert or clean 10 feet of ditch with a hand shovel. repeat until they have paid the fine.  Or, if they choose  not to pay a fine, make them do three times the amount of work. For every $100 the fine costs, 3 culverts or 30 feet of ditch needs to be cleaned.

This idea would pertain to all ohv violations.

Your a hater! No ATV is any diffrent than a jeep or truck! Here is a fact! My truck will do way more damage to any road or meadow or whatever than my ATV will...  Maybe we should fine horse riders for tearing up the forsest, and mushroom pickers, wood cutters, people cutting brush to fish next to the river, campers, people hanging trail cams, it goes on and on! 

Yes ATV people who are tearing crap up on purpose! Throw the book at them! Other than that there is no reason they should not be allowed on any forest road!   Safety? Give me a break! I have seen even you doing 30 plus on the forest roads!!! But let me guess ? That dont tear up gravel roads??? I call BS! 

I own a ATV and will use it! Fine me all you wish but soon it will be legal so I really dont care...  Haters gonna hate...

Rtspring

[snowpack]

Yeah, ATVs actually do less damage.  Lighter with large footprint and low PSI in the tires.  Trucks will rut up a road way worse than an ATV will

[SniperDanWA]

To the discussion of adding fines on the first page, do you know that the money isn't seen by the particular forest the ticket wad written on?

I would like to see something on top of paying a fine. Perhaps for every $100 dollar paid for a fine, the person has to clean 1 culvert or clean 10 feet of ditch with a hand shovel. repeat until they have paid the fine.  Or, if they choose  not to pay a fine, make them do three times the amount of work. For every $100 the fine costs, 3 culverts or 30 feet of ditch needs to be cleaned.

This idea would pertain to all ohv violations.

The fines you outline are ridiculous, in my opinion.  You know good and well that most of the damage in the units you drive is from people using 4x4s and not quads, especially during elk season.  I'd like to see those who off-road fined too (not really) as I believe most deep ruts come from truck and jeep traffic.

The places I hunt I can't even drive a 4x4 into let alone a quad, so why do I care .

[washelkhunter]

You are wrong my friend. Wa St has passed HB1632, ATV/UTV's can be made street legal now. One can also purchase full coverage insurance for ON & OFF road riding (not a requirement of the law though)
 In WA State motorcycles(Harley's, street bikes,etc.) do not need to have insurance to legally ride on the roads.
LOL on the bashing thing, you the man 

Whoa, whoa not so fast. Possessing liability insurance is indeed a "requirement" if you are riding on almost all roads in this state. You are not required to have it if you're just operating within designated ORV riding areas, some open roads and open trails to WATV's. Motorcycles have to carry insurance as well. RCW 46.30.020. Then read RCW 46.04.310. Furthermore atv's are not allowed on designated roads with posted speed limits above 35 mph. And you better have a helmet on at all times. 

[NOCK NOCK]

You are wrong my friend. Wa St has passed HB1632, ATV/UTV's can be made street legal now. One can also purchase full coverage insurance for ON & OFF road riding (not a requirement of the law though)
 In WA State motorcycles(Harley's, street bikes,etc.) do not need to have insurance to legally ride on the roads.
LOL on the bashing thing, you the man 

Whoa, whoa not so fast. Possessing liability insurance is indeed a "requirement" if you are riding on almost all roads in this state. You are not required to have it if you're just operating within designated ORV riding areas, some open roads and open trails to WATV's. Motorcycles have to carry insurance as well. RCW 46.30.020. Then read RCW 46.04.310. Furthermore atv's are not allowed on designated roads with posted speed limits above 35 mph. And you better have a helmet on at all times.

I will say it again, Washelk, you are wrong, please research before you post.

46.04.310
Motor truck.

"Motor truck" means any motor vehicle designed or used for the transportation of commodities, merchandise, produce, freight, or animals.

RCW 46.30.020:
  (3) The provisions of this chapter shall not govern:

     (a) The operation of a motor vehicle registered under RCW 46.18.220 or 46.18.255, governed by RCW 46.16A.170, or registered with the Washington utilities and transportation commission as common or contract carriers; or

     (b) The operation of a motorcycle as defined in RCW 46.04.330, a motor-driven cycle as defined in RCW 46.04.332, a moped as defined in RCW 46.04.304, or a wheeled all-terrain vehicle as defined in RCW 46.09.310.


Taken from WA ST DOL website:
Exceptions

You don’t need to have insurance when you operate a vehicle registered as any of the following:
•Motorcycle. (RCW 46.04.330)

Helmets are not required on UTV's that are equipped with roll bars & seat belts

At least you "kinda" got the 35mph restriction right Wash elk(50 in some area's)
Any Questions?

[washelkhunter]

All motor vehicles must have liability insurance to operate on the states roads and highways. ALL. Call the DMV and ask.

[NOCK NOCK]

I would like to hear 1 good, logically sound, factual reason why street legal ATV's/UTV's should not be allowed to ride on forest service roads that are legally open to other motor vehicles.

Is there such a thing as a street legal ATV in the state of Washington?  About the closest I can think of is a Cushman.

Yes there is Rad, HB1632, went into effect last year. My Can am UTV is street legal... turn signals, horn, mirrors all the way around, headlights, tail lights, lap & shoulder belts, license plate, & registration......

And you are saying that CanAm is not legal to ride on forest service roads even when fully licensed?  I apologies for my ignorance on this issue.  Just trying to understand.

As of right now, that's correct Rad. Not just Can am, ANY Atv/Utv's that have been equipped to be street legal are not allowed on FS roads. They can legally be operated in many county and city jurisdictions with posted speed limits 35mph or less. In my area this includes, Chelan County, Douglas County, and within the city limits of East Wenatchee. I can LEGALLY ride right down into town to get groceries, go out to eat, etc.