Will WDFW finally confirm more wolf packs in the Methow Valley?

[GameHunter1959]

I believe under the forum rules....

Name calling is grounds for being banned from participating on the Hunt Wa forum. 

[jackelope]

Well said Wolfbait..again, some are so ready to believe what they are told or read, rather than listen to any first hand, in the field reports...also throw common sense reasoning out the door.,,never gonna change their minds. They are so entrenched with being"  right", they will defend till blue in the face, their"  facts" as being right,.. not. Worth the breath to try to change their mind and perspective buddy!

You are correct. 
People are so entrenched in their ideas being right that they will defend their ideas(which lliterally have no support or backing) till they are blue in the face.
I see a pattern.
 

[jackelope]

I believe under the forum rules....

Name calling is grounds for being banned from participating on the Hunt Wa forum. 

Did I miss something?

[idahohuntr]

I believe under the forum rules....

Name calling is grounds for being banned from participating on the Hunt Wa forum. 

Did I miss something?

No...I was referencing wolfbaits calling wdfw staff stupid...not that he was calling any member here a name...no broken rules that I see.

[timberfaller]

I've had to sit and listen to some of THAT "staff" and stupid is a "nice" term for what I've had to endure.   

I've also watched them on the TV at times when "meetings" are televised in Olympia.   

I had a gut buster last year when two old guys cornered the Director and the Asst. over land acquisition!!

Those two old timers put those two to shame!!  They even gave them a "simple" solution to their "problem" and it went right over their heads faster then you could say BOO!

[idahohuntr]

I've had to sit and listen to some of THAT "staff" and stupid is a "nice" term for what I've had to endure.   

I've also watched them on the TV at times when "meetings" are televised in Olympia.   

I had a gut buster last year when two old guys cornered the Director and the Asst. over land acquisition!!

Those two old timers put those two to shame!!  They even gave them a "simple" solution to their "problem" and it went right over their heads faster then you could say BOO!

I'm sure the feelings are mutual.

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[timberfaller]

Wow!  How old are you??

[idahohuntr]

Wow!  How old are you??

old enough to know two old timers did not shame the director (;

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[mountainman]

Timberfaller,  this is the problem not just this issue, but on a federal government level too. They never listen to the" eyes on the ground" to base their decisions on. They have their own agendas, and reality doesn't fit into their plans....can't argue eye witness facts to them, because the are so entrenched with what they think is right, objectivity be damned. .egos and pride to win the debate at all costs, with little concern for reality....just read the comments that follow to prove my point! Read on...lol

[wolfbait]

Wow!  How old are you??

old enough to know two old timers did not shame the director (;

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I don't think anyone could shame the director, he was hired to be a yes man for the USFWS and environmental groups, the pay is $$$$$$$$$$$$.

 What is a soul worth these days?

[wolfbait]

Those interested in what the future looks like for WA should read the info below. Compare WDFW and their wolf management so far with what you read in the link below.



What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery

Second only to Alaska in total wilderness acres, Idaho’s wilderness areas provided a nucleus population of elk and deer 40 years ago when IDFG biologists had over- harvested elk everywhere else except in the Panhandle. Director Groen’s announcement that surplus wilderness wolves will be used to populate surrounding regions reflects F&G’s allegiance to the real FWS wolf recovery agenda.

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

[GameHunter1959]

Those interested in what the future looks like for WA should read the info below. Compare WDFW and their wolf management so far with what you read in the link below.



What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery

Second only to Alaska in total wilderness acres, Idaho’s wilderness areas provided a nucleus population of elk and deer 40 years ago when IDFG biologists had over- harvested elk everywhere else except in the Panhandle. Director Groen’s announcement that surplus wilderness wolves will be used to populate surrounding regions reflects F&G’s allegiance to the real FWS wolf recovery agenda.

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

Intresting article- The only issue I have is that it is 6-7 year old data. So the real questions are...

What was the status of the deer, elk, moose, cattle, and wolf populations in 2008 when this was happening? (Baseline)

What is the status of the deer, elk, moose, cattle, and wolf populations in 2014? (Baseline)

Did this specific area improve, decline, stay the same? (End Result)

[wolfbait]

Those interested in what the future looks like for WA should read the info below. Compare WDFW and their wolf management so far with what you read in the link below.



What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery

Second only to Alaska in total wilderness acres, Idaho’s wilderness areas provided a nucleus population of elk and deer 40 years ago when IDFG biologists had over- harvested elk everywhere else except in the Panhandle. Director Groen’s announcement that surplus wilderness wolves will be used to populate surrounding regions reflects F&G’s allegiance to the real FWS wolf recovery agenda.

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

Intresting article- The only issue I have is that it is 6-7 year old data. So the real questions are...

What was the status of the deer, elk, moose, cattle, and wolf populations in 2008 when this was happening? (Baseline)

What is the status of the deer, elk, moose, cattle, and wolf populations in 2014? (Baseline)

Did this specific area improve, decline, stay the same? (End Result)

You must be Idahohunter's brother,

The link above shows some of the fraud and corruption that Idaho etc. went through, some of the same BS WA is now going through with WDFW's hands on the throttle. Example:

Wolf Numbers Underestimated
There are so many variables involved in attempting to estimate the total number of wolves in a state that any such estimate is prone to large errors even with the best information available. But when the existence of every wolf that has not been part of a “collared” pack is ignored, any such estimate is suspect.
For example, local residents reported several wolf packs in Boise County yet FWS had documented only two. When the Team finally documented the existence of three more packs there were 2-1/2 times as many wolf packs as had been recorded and a similar increase in the number of breeding pairs – indicated both by pups and by yearlings that were born in the prior year and survived.
Although FWS goes back and adjusts the number of breeding pairs for the prior year when this evidence is documented, this system always results in initially underestimating both total wolves and breeding pairs. Recovery goals in all three states were met at least 2-3 years before then current FWS estimates said they were, yet the actual number of breeding pairs was not admitted and recorded until after the fact.
http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

[GameHunter1959]

I have no relation to Idaho Hunter. I only have 1 sister. You must be confusing me with someone else in the forum.

I read a little of what you posted. I was looking more for the bottom line. That's a little lengthy for me. Have a good night.

[idahohuntr]

I have no relation to Idaho Hunter. I only have 1 sister. You must be confusing me with someone else in the forum.

I read a little of what you posted. I was looking more for the bottom line. That's a little lengthy for me. Have a good night.

Don't waste your time reading most of anything he posts...wolfbait can't stand logic, data, and reason when it comes to wolf management and he never provides credible information...usually just more rhetoric and unfounded gossip.  He also likes to make up stuff about me or anyone else who provides logical thought on wolves...he has this fascination that anyone who doesn't believe his crazy talk is out to get him and is in on some grand conspiracy and works for WDFW/USFWS...its quite sad...but occasionally very entertaining