Roads still closed, where is our money going?

[grundy53]

The government isn't keeping anyone from using the land. Some of it just has to be hiked into instead of driving. What did people do before all the logging roads were built?

They didn't use a majority of the land....

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[bobcat]

Okay, well the area we're talking about here, still has plenty of road access. You can still drive into the general area and hunt it.

Yes you might have to walk 1 mile from your truck to get into an area that previously had an open road.

Seems to me that a few washed out roads is a good thing, for hunters and wildlife.

[grundy53]

Okay, well the area we're talking about here, still has plenty of road access. You can still drive into the general area and hunt it.

Yes you might have to walk 1 mile from your truck to get into an area that previously had an open road.

Seems to me that a few washed out roads is a good thing, for hunters and wildlife.

I agree with you there. For me this is more of a complaint of a broken system in general. Not so much this specific area. And to those who say that USFS would like to log but can't because of lawsuits thats a total farce. If they wanted to they would/could.

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[logger]

The government isn't keeping anyone from using the land. Some of it just has to be hiked into instead of driving. What did people do before all the logging roads were built?

I don't believe it was much of a issue when the f.s was formed in 1905, however they are required to maintain and manage the land for the publics interest. national parks and wilderness exist for a reason and that perfectly ok by me. It boils down to they are not doing what they were formed to do. My argument has nothing to do with hunting, it's failed policy and the fact that it policy was orignally put in place for everybody to recreate not just a few.I am not a biker or atver or horse guy but they should have as much access as the hunter or the elderly or disabled or the city family that just wants to see the country.

[grundy53]

The government isn't keeping anyone from using the land. Some of it just has to be hiked into instead of driving. What did people do before all the logging roads were built?

I don't believe it was much of a issue when the f.s was formed in 1905, however they are required to maintain and manage the land for the publics interest. national parks and wilderness exist for a reason and that perfectly ok by me. It boils down to they are not doing what they were formed to do. My argument has nothing to do with hunting, it's failed policy and the fact that it policy was orignally put in place for everybody to recreate not just a few.I am not a biker or atver or horse guy but they should have as much access as the hunter or the elderly or disabled or the city family that just wants to see the country.

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[jackelope]

Everyone that enjoys hiking, is capable of hiking, doesn't mind hiking, etc will not have a problem with less roads.
The people that can't hike, don't like to hike, aren't capable of hiking, rely on roads for their income, etc all will oppose less roads.

I'm a fan of less roads. There's plenty of places for roadhunters to hunt even with less roads.

A lot of these places are soooooooooo full of roads it's almost impossible to get more than a mile or so from one. What fun is that? Hunters on top of hunters on top of dirtbikers on top of 4 wheelers.
 
 

[logger]

very true and I agree with you 100%, BUT then the hunter that like to hike can go to the wilderness area if thats the argument for closing off more public land to all public access, meaning those capable of hiking or horseback riding into areas where roads are longer in exsintince.

[CAMPMEAT]

Our money is going to buy the bosses over here, NEW FORD SUV's that cost around $38,000 each.

[Southpole]

I see it this way.  The land isnt the peoples.  Its the Feds Gov. and they will do as they please.  Now many will object to this and claim it belongs to the people, I know, it should.  But does it?  Sorry.

A government of, by, and for the people merely holds this land in trust for its beneficiaries, the people.

I got your point Mudman, the federal government doesn't represent and support "the people" anymore.

[Elkaholic daWg]

I see it this way.  The land isnt the peoples.  Its the Feds Gov. and they will do as they please.  Now many will object to this and claim it belongs to the people, I know, it should.  But does it?  Sorry.

A government of, by, and for the people merely holds this land in trust for its beneficiaries, the people.

I got your point Mudman, the federal government doesn't represent and support "the people" anymore.

And it seems some here  are just fine with that.  I guess one doesn't miss what they never had eh?

[Mudman]

  Exactly.  We can quote "For the People" and such but that isnt the reality.  Ask yourself, does any branch do what the people want or act in their own Gov. self interest and do what they feel is best for the people while benefiting their own agenda.  Its wrong, I hate it and I agree with most comments.  I just recognize the reality of the world I live in and the illusions of our Peoples Government do not cloud my reality any longer.  I believe the Forest should be managed in a way to allow recreation and economic diversity for as many citizens as possible.  Not just Hunters and not Just conservation groups but everyone.

[James]

Everyone that enjoys hiking, is capable of hiking, doesn't mind hiking, etc will not have a problem with less roads.
The people that can't hike, don't like to hike, aren't capable of hiking, rely on roads for their income, etc all will oppose less roads.

I'm a fan of less roads. There's plenty of places for roadhunters to hunt even with less roads.

A lot of these places are soooooooooo full of roads it's almost impossible to get more than a mile or so from one. What fun is that? Hunters on top of hunters on top of dirtbikers on top of 4 wheelers.
 
 

 

I want less roads as well.

[Kittman]

Maintain the FS roads.  It's why yours and my money is allocated for this.  It is meant for the enjoyment & selfishness of all.

[gasman]

I personally would like to see the existing roads maintained for all user groups, not just hunters use the roads.

The roads are there, so lets use them, PERIOD.



If you want an area to be roadless, to the NP or Wilderness, plenty of roadless areas there, Oh wait, I for got, you don't wan to travel that far to be in a roadless area so you want less roads to accommodate your needs, SORRY, MY BAD......


As for animals dont come near roads, BS, where do you think road kill comes from? ANIMALS ON OR CROSSING THE ROADS......


In a nut shell, if you want less roads, go to an area with less roads and let the rest of be.

[bobcat]

The problem is it's very expensive to maintain roads. Those who expect every road that's ever been built to be maintained so it's driveable by the average passenger vehicle, maybe you can somehow be taxed at a higher rate than the rest of us.