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[7.62Warbird]

Cboom I spend as much time in the field as anybody(that doesn't work in the woods). I can tell you I encounter many people of varying ethnicities including all that gringo mentioned. Many hitting the hills as I'm leaving. I would also urge you to ask the local enforcement officer how many poaching stings they have done and how many were unsuccessful.  It'll scare you.

Kinda hard to do a poaching sting with one of two wardens on leave.  Good point though.

[ribka]

Sure, it's specific areas. Look at the Yakima area: worst deer populations in the state. The WDFW blames hair loss caused by lice. But to me it's obvious- Those deer get killed year around by a tribe that has no closed season and no limits. The same thing could be happening in the area described by the original post in this thread.

The Indians take truck loads of deer bucks does fawns out of the LT Murray in NOV Dec, Jan. I see the pick ups loaded -up with dead deer that were shot near the roads in the wintering areas. One red Toyoyta had 8 does and fawns shot by one guy last December morning. I saw that red Toyota pick up loaded with does and fawns on many occassions with the Yak tribal plates. God knows how many deer this "proud native hunter" killed over the years.   The hair loss problem is not the true reason why the deer pops are suffereing. This state is a joke in many respects when it comes to wildlife "management"

[vandeman17]

Sure, it's specific areas. Look at the Yakima area: worst deer populations in the state. The WDFW blames hair loss caused by lice. But to me it's obvious- Those deer get killed year around by a tribe that has no closed season and no limits. The same thing could be happening in the area described by the original post in this thread.

The Indians take truck loads of deer bucks does fawns out of the LT Murray in NOV Dec, Jan. I see the pick ups loaded -up with dead deer that were shot near the roads in the wintering areas. One red Toyoyta had 8 does and fawns shot by one guy last December morning. I saw that red Toyota pick up loaded with does and fawns on many occassions with the Yak tribal plates. God knows how many deer this "proud native hunter" killed over the years.   The hair loss problem is not the true reason why the deer pops are suffereing. This state is a joke in many respects when it comes to wildlife "management"

First hand knowledge right there from a reputable source 

[7.62Warbird]

As far as facts go about cbooms claims...I was part of the conversation of which he is all fired up about. I won't claim to know the exact number of permits issued to the tribes but my recollection was that it was in the neighborhood of 2500 between Nooksack/Lummi. Regardless of the number there is little to nothing we as a state will ever be able to do about it. State laws will never trump federal law and the tribes know this. There is only one solution to poachers and it doesn't have anything to do with a court but that's another matter.
 I'll try to get cboom  in touch with the source for more reliable numbers asap.

[vandeman17]

As far as facts go about cbooms claims...I was part of the conversation of which he is all fired up about. I won't claim to know the exact number of permits issued to the tribes but my recollection was that it was in the neighborhood of 2500 between Nooksack/Lummi. Regardless of the number there is little to nothing we as a state will ever be able to do about it. State laws will never trump federal law and the tribes know this. There is only one solution to poachers and it doesn't have anything to do with a court but that's another matter.
 I'll try to get cboom  in touch with the source for more reliable numbers asap.

Not to bash your thread at all but we can't call them "poachers" when they technically aren't doing anything illegal. We may not agree with the harvest numbers but unless the kill over what their tribes say or break the rules they aren't. 

[baker5150]

I would also refute the statement that there are large, easily accessible winter  populations in Whatcom County.  Even in areas (like Baker) the deer disperse to lowlands areas that maintain relatively low densities.

What about Fairhaven?   

Fairhaven is pretty good. Sudden Valley is the place to be though if your planning a trip. I would concentrate my efforts around the forth hole of the golf course. They love that gals rose bushes.

Quit giving away my honey holes!

[7.62Warbird]

Quit giving away my honey holes!
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[7.62Warbird]

Not to bash your thread at all but we can't call them "poachers" when they technically aren't doing anything illegal. We may not agree with the harvest numbers but unless the kill over what their tribes say or break the rules they aren't. 
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You are correct. I was thinking about the early post that was referring to Russians etc. poaching deer. I wasn't meaning that Natives were poaching but can clearly see how it was taken that way.

[kirkl]

And the plot thickens. ha ha

[vandeman17]

Not to bash your thread at all but we can't call them "poachers" when they technically aren't doing anything illegal. We may not agree with the harvest numbers but unless the kill over what their tribes say or break the rules they aren't. 

You are correct. I was thinking about the early post that was referring to Russians etc. poaching deer. I wasn't meaning that Natives were poaching but can clearly see how it was taken that way.
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Not a problem at all. I find myself calling it poaching all the time and have been trying to stop. Gotta be politically correct these days 

[buckhorn2]

Maybe its not so much about the number of permits given out but the time allowed to harvest if your season started in july and went through febuary do you think there would be a difference in harvest reports.

[trophyhunt]

A post got deleted and the last sentence said something about, plat always saying he's gonna go to the council about certain yak's tribal members.  I too am curious if you have, and if anything has been done about the members who slaughter more than their share?  Not trying to jump on a hate wagon, but I'm really curious if you have tried to change anything?  I know it's bugs you as much as the rest of us, at least that what you say anyway?

[Tbar]

Here are my thoughts and I think they might bring merit to all arguments (and I have no solutions). Tribal harvest in our area has decreased over the last  20 years. Along with that we have been getting shoved into smaller and smaller parcels of public land.  Therefore making the impact of hunting (and poaching) by all groups negatively affecting and sometimes devastating localized herds.  I've witnessed this process repeat several times.
Right now we can access the dike and Sumas, sometimes.  20 years ago we could come from Bellingham come over Y, all the way to Cub,  we could take middle fork to blue or saxon or all the way to Baker Lake,  we could access Boulder/black/red. I could go on and on. I see the localized herd devastated by all user groups due to lack of access and no public land.
Now the pay to play game is here it may alleviate some pressure.  I wouldn't mind Weyco and Sierra making our area fee access.  I don't think I would buy a pass though because, even in the tree farms the overall deer densities are far from great.

[huntnnw]

I spent 17 days in the blues watching that BS of the Nez Perce slaughtering elk with no care in the world! cutting heads off and taking none of it or just backstraps! This isnt SECOND HAND info pal..I watched it. its disgusting! Shouldnt be allowed and how they are allowed to do this is beyond me. ELK WERE NOT NATIVE to the Blues..WHITE man is responsible for the introduction of elk.

[huntnnw]

   COMPLETE BS. Then WDFG wants a hunter harvest report ..how about a ^&&%$ ...I dont think so, when you have no damn idea what the indians are taking then what is the point? explain it to me.