Best sabot and grain for Bull Elk

[muzzleman]

I got drawn for a Margret Bull tag this year, and I don't want to mess up with the wrong sabot and grain for my Elk.  What is the best Sabot and grain for my TCF Black Diamond 50 cal?  And how many grains of triple 7 does everyone use? 

[Sabotloader]

I got drawn for a Margret Bull tag this year, and I don't want to mess up with the wrong sabot and grain for my Elk.  What is the best Sabot and grain for my TCF Black Diamond 50 cal?  And how many grains of triple 7 does everyone use?

There are a lot of good bullets out there, both premium and mass produced...

Personally I use 110 grains of T7-3f pushing a 300 grain Lehigh/Bloodline bullet in a MMP or Knight 458x50 sabot.  It really a deadly combination.

[Damnimissed]

Hey SL, are the Orange mmp's any easier to load in an Ultralite? Man, the red ones are tough to get started. I'm probably gonna have to carry some sst's/crush rib for quick follow up shots. The Bloodlines shoot real nice though...and they're pretty!

[Sabotloader]

Hey SL, are the Orange mmp's any easier to load in an Ultralite? Man, the red ones are tough to get started. I'm probably gonna have to carry some sst's/crush rib for quick follow up shots. The Bloodlines shoot real nice though...and they're pretty!

No they are the same sabot just different colored...  Try this.... place the bullet in the sabot and just before forcing it down the bore, roll the outside of the sabot on your tongue... do not have to get it wet just a bit moist which acts as a bit of lubrication.

Once you get it pushed through the crown - how does it go down the bore.

If that does not work there is an alternative... but there is also a possible problem...



mike

[Damnimissed]

Right now, after I get it through the crown it eases up a bit but is still nice and snug. It's getting it a couple inches past the crown that's tough. I even messed up a sabot due to bad alignment because of the force it took to get it started. I'll try the spit lube on Saturday for my final shoot before elk season....also, what alternatives or problems do you speak of??
Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.

Ron

[Damnimissed]

Sorry for the thread jack muzzleman. You can't go wrong with 300gr SSTs and 110 gr of 777. They seem to shoot pretty darn good in most rifles.

[SnakeEyes]

I am using the Barnes Spit-Fire 290 grain T-EZ with 110 grains of Triple 7.

[scottcrb]

I got drawn for a Margret Bull tag this year, and I don't want to mess up with the wrong sabot and grain for my Elk.  What is the best Sabot and grain for my TCF Black Diamond 50 cal?  And how many grains of triple 7 does everyone use?

There are a lot of good bullets out there, both premium and mass produced...

Personally I use 110 grains of T7-3f pushing a 300 grain Lehigh/Bloodline bullet in a MMP or Knight 458x50 sabot.  It really a deadly combination.

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[WSU]

I am using the Barnes Spit-Fire 290 grain T-EZ with 110 grains of Triple 7.

Same here.  The T-EZ loads a lot easier in my gun.  Still very snug but others have been damn-near impossible to get down the barrel.

[Sabotloader]

Right now, after I get it through the crown it eases up a bit but is still nice and snug. It's getting it a couple inches past the crown that's tough. I even messed up a sabot due to bad alignment because of the force it took to get it started. I'll try the spit lube on Saturday for my final shoot before elk season....also, what alternatives or problems do you speak of??
Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated.

Ron

The bullet I showed is a Lehigh .458x305 grain.  It is designed to be used in a 45-70 rifle which normally have a 1-16 twist.  They are an outstanding bullet from that platform.

The two factors that make it work in a tight ml barrels are the deep grooves around the bullet that provide less over all pressure to put it down the bore + the bullet is held to a much tighter specifications than are the ML 300's.  The second advantage is the weight of the nose petals... The nose of this bullet is heavier and will provide more internal damage.

BUT... Most 50 cal ML's are 1-28 twist.  Because of its overall length the bullet should be marginal in a 1-28 in that you might not achieve stabilization.  They will work very well in a 1-28 IF you shoot it with enough velocity and IF it does not slip up or across the lands. it needs to start its rotation right away and maintain its grip.  Actually this is suppose to happen with any bullet you shoot but since most of the bullets we shoot are shorter you have a margin of error.

So what I am saying is if the regular .458x300 gr. Bloodline is TO tight subbing this bullet might work very well for you.  In fact in my case I end not using the 458 sabot and move to a thicker black HPH-24 they load very well and are snug all the way down the bore...

[muzzleman]

Thanks for the input   Thats exactly what I have been using. is the Bloodline 300 grain with 110 grains of T7.  I just wanted to make sure I was using the best for my upcoming hunt in the Margret.

[Chukarhead]

Thanks for the input   Thats exactly what I have been using. is the Bloodline 300 grain with 110 grains of T7.  I just wanted to make sure I was using the best for my upcoming hunt in the Margret.

If that's what you're used to, definitely don't change it now.  It'll kill one dead...if you hit it in the boiler room.  We expect a full report!   

[muzzleman]

I sure will. I can't wait for the season to start.

[huntnnw]

I have a T/C Blackdiamond...I shoot 90gr of T7 and a 300gr Barnes..it shoots great to 100

[Jonathan_S]

150 grains of loose powder and an all-lead PowerBelt.



If I was going to hunt elk with muzzleloader, I'd look at all-copper bullets like mentioned above.