No on I-594

[tikkahunter]

I know there have been a few posts on this already but we are down to a week before the election.  We need to make sure I-594 doesn't pass.  Please encourage friends, family, coworkers, etc to also vote no.  We are being severely outspent by millionaires and billionaires.  Defeating I-594 will be a grassroots effort.  We as sportsmen need to ensure that  not only our natural resources are preserved for the next generation but freedoms also.  This isn't a democrat-republican issue.  This is about losing freedom.  Please vote No on I-594!

[blackdog]

Turnout is looking poor which should be good for us, and an opportunity if we get our people to vote! If you have family contact them!

[pianoman9701]

Gene Wilder has weighed in.

[h2ofowlr]

The Yes on I-594 is using this new school shooting to try to get people to say yes, for tighter controls.  Even though this gun was purchased legally.  I wonder if they will mention that if a transfer was required, they student would have had to transfer it before he could take it to school.  I am not trying to make light of this tragic event, but it is an unfortunate event that won't be changed by I-594.  It will just pose the threat of making more people even more naïve of firearms.

[Fl0und3rz]

it is an unfortunate event that won't be changed by I-594.  It will just pose the threat of making more people even more naïve of firearms.

And that is the bottom line.  I-594 is purely an attack on culture, a culture that uses and regards firearms as tools to be revered and respected. As some here righteously point out, they are winning the culture war. 

[silverdalesauer]

Check out the Yes-591 Facebook page and the information about Nick Hanauer's recent quote after the Marysville-Pilchuck shooting. Get the word out.   

https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf

[tikkahunter]

I believe King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties will decide this vote.  Westsiders please get No on I-594 word out!

[HunterStrait]

If it passes, them i guess its time to move to idaho.

[Birdguy]

Just watching a poll on channel nine and that poll had it passing 64% to 33% failing with 3% undecided. Not looking good weak turnout or not.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I already sent ours in ...I seriously do not think it will pass ... From what I am hearing people are tired of how they use people who have been shot as a tool  I best one I heard so far was the lady saying she wants strict gun right because her husband committed suicide  Is that the guns fault ? some people just kill me 

[Hi-Liter]

Remember 676 in 1997 it failed I think 60/40? Hopefully everyone votes no on 594. 676 was all cushion in trigger locks for pistols but that initiative had pages of requiring citizens to register their pistols etc. imagine having the state tracking you for every gun purchase or sell u make. Kinda like changing your underwear it never leaves you.

[ouchfoss]

Lets just say that 594 gets enough votes and passes. What is then required to have it repealed?

[Fl0und3rz]

Lawsuit, injunction, court decision, appeal, Supreme Court decision (and maybe more).  So a bunch of money and wasted time and effort.  Meanwhile DV'rs will keep DV'ing, and felons will keep on obtaining weapons illegally.  Yeah!

[splitshot]

  my bride and I have already voted no on it.  if it passes we will have to build more jails.   mike w

[ouchfoss]

Lawsuit, injunction, court decision, appeal, Supreme Court decision (and maybe more).  So a bunch of money and wasted time and effort.  Meanwhile DV'rs will keep DV'ing, and felons will keep on obtaining weapons illegally.  Yeah!

So there is no way to put up another voter initiative that would repeal 594 it once it passes?
I would think that if it were to pass, maybe a year or two down the line once people realize how stupid it is, the majority would be educated enough to not want it anymore.

[ouchfoss]

Not to mention how many people in law enforcement have already spoken out against it.

[Curly]

The bear baiting ban and trapping ban in 1996 were stupid and we are still stuck with the results of those initiatives passing.  Once something becomes a law, it seems to stay that way.

[fishinmike]

I believe King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties will decide this vote.  Westsiders please get No on I-594 word out!

These counties decide most votes, that is why this state is so screwed up for outdoor orientated people. Most of the people in these counties have never left the I-5 corridor and have no clue about anything they don't see on the news.

[Fl0und3rz]

So there is no way to put up another voter initiative that would repeal 594 it once it passes?

While possible, improbable, IMO.  You cannot reason a populace out of a position that they, themselves, were not reasoned into.  We were outspent.  We'll see if a modicum of sanity can overcome such a flurry of misinformation next week.

I could see the Sherriffs and other LE refuse to enforce it, a la CO magazine restrictions.  But is a law that is selectively enforced (IRS) any better than one that is rigorously enforced?  People need to feel the pain of their indiscretions, in order for the law to change.

What I-594 supporters will have done is to define your lawful behavior as and indiscretion and make you subject you the subject of any pain.  Supporters will never see that pain, because they don't realize what they are voting to give up, and thus, they will have no incentive to vote for a repeal.

[pianoman9701]

Check out the Yes-591 Facebook page and the information about Nick Hanauer's recent quote after the Marysville-Pilchuck shooting. Get the word out.   

https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf

I wrote to Hanauer today and got a response back. Apparently, he's a mathematical genius when it comes to removing our rights. Mods, I considered censoring his comments and then didn't. I thought it important to post the kind of man we're dealing with here.:

"I  apologize.  I was overly emotional and in the moment.  However.

The difference between that kid in marysville and the same messed up kid
in canada is that in canada, he¹d have gone to school and punched another
kid.  And we would never have heard about it.  But here  in WA, he grabbed
a .40 cal and killed a bunch of people.  Is that because our kids are
worse than canadian kids??  No.  Kids are screwed up everywhere.  And
kids, especially boys, have horrible judgement.  Maybe you are a mother or
father and have raised some and can testify to this.

The goal of gun policy is to minimize the chances somewhat that people
turn anger into lethality.  We are not a more violent country than any
other.  We are more lethal- because of guns.

So a law that make it harder for bad people to buy guns will absolutely
positively save lives.  And there is incontrovertible data to show
that-Even if you can imagine a corner case where it might not have helped.

I feely admit that I am an *censored*.  Ask my wife.  Ask anyone.  But I am
very good at math.  And 594 will save lives."

[Fl0und3rz]

Thanks for your tireless efforts.  Alas, I doubt even he has read the text of I-594 and has understood its implications.  Perhaps he is just another willing tool.

[huntnphool]

Is there any chance at all this fails? I seriously don't see it.

[Bob33]

Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.

The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.

[Fl0und3rz]

The beauty with I-594 is that it is somebody else's freedom at risk.

[Hi-Liter]

Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.

The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.

How do you figure 594 will save lives?

[rim_runner]

well if you're locked up for violating I-594 because you misunderstood the narrow exceptions, you might avoid being killed in an I-5 traffic accident.

[pianoman9701]

Another way it'll save lives is that it'll take so long for someone to read it and re-read it to make sure they're not breaking the law, that the animal for which they were going to hunt with the borrowed firearm will have gone out of season. That animal's life will have been spared. If it saves only one life, it's worth it. No one said it had to be human. 

[Bob33]

Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.

The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.

How do you figure 594 will save lives?

I said "may", but I suspect that some individuals will be denied firearms who should be.

[Hi-Liter]

Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.

The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.

How do you figure 594 will save lives?

I know what you said "may", don't get all boiled on it. But, in some of your other threads you are admitting to defeat in this initiative 594. I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591

I said "may", but I suspect that some individuals will be denied firearms who should be.

[huntnphool]

I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591

A recent poll showed that even 54% of those on the east side approve of 594.

[B Mo]

I'm pretty disappointed at the lack of television commercials exposing I -594.  Where is all that NRA money that Washingtonians donated?

[rim_runner]

I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591

A recent poll showed that even 54% of those on the east side approve of 594.

it was a telephone poll of 600 people. I wouldn't give up hope yet. Only 20% of the ballots have been mailed in so far and there are over 2 million gun owners in Washington state. The more people you can get to read the entire text of I-594 the more that will see it for what it is and vote no. http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf

[Kazekurt]

Some buddies and I were talking about some things that would even have to change in the Washington Department of Fish and wildlife Hunter Ed program.  We have all seen the video where the hunters are about to cross the fence in the forest and one Hunter hands his rifle to the other so that he could safely cross.  Clearly, those Hunters should have called an FFL and made him come all the way out there to conduct a background check before that firearm was "transferred"

My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend.  That would now be illegal without getting  an FFL involved aswell.  Ridiculous!

[Fl0und3rz]

Yep.  Lent my brother a rifle for my niece.  Felon in waiting.

[Bob33]

Some buddies and I were talking about some things that would even have to change in the Washington Department of Fish and wildlife Hunter Ed program.  We have all seen the video where the hunters are about to cross the fence in the forest and one Hunter hands his rifle to the other so that he could safely cross.  Clearly, those Hunters should have called an FFL and made him come all the way out there to conduct a background check before that firearm was "transferred"

My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend.  That would now be illegal without getting  an FFL involved aswell.  Ridiculous!

Your first example would be exempt from a background check.  Your second most likely would not.

[Hi-Liter]

I wonder if the prosecutors (satterburg and Roe) in the TV ad will be exempt from handling a firearm in a court room trial or proceeding. Also, vice versus the defense attorney handling his clients weapon in court? Nothing in it that says they are exempt.  This initiative is so stupid and Satterburg helped write it!

[addicted2hunting]

this whole thing is just tearing me up! it amazes me the people that believe this crap... scary they are in the gene pool! I think we are breeding common sense right out of society! Morons....

[fishinmike]

This just happened and I am afraid this is how a lot of people see things.

I was at my daughters house for the game, started talking about 594. My son-in laws brother says, we, him and his wife,  voted yes, because we believe in the background checks. Now mind you, he owns 2 guns and shoots fairly often, but has no clue what is in these initiatives. So here is a perfect example of someone who only believes what they see on tv and now that is 2 more votes against us. People need to wake up and realize what the real world is, and stop being sheep. Why can't these people not think for themselves? Once I explained the repercussions of what he just voted for, he was very confused because that is not what tv told him.   

[Stein]

My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend.  That would now be illegal without getting  an FFL involved aswell.  Ridiculous!

Actually, the FFL would be involved twice.  Once when he transferred it to your daughter (assuming she is 18) and then another FFL background check to give it back to him when you were done.

If she is under 18, he would transfer it to you via a background check, you would allow her to hunt with it (in your immediate control only) and then another check to give it back to your buddy.

That isn't a burden apparently, but asking to see a driver's license at the poll is too much to ask.  I still hold that way, way more damage is done at the polling booth than is ever done with a rifle.

[Mrninninnin]

News release: 11/07/14. Washington State.

TO: All media organizations and groups.
FROM: Gavin Seim, lead organizer of the “I WILL NOT Comply Rally”.

Initiative 594 just passed in Washington State, bringing on residents mandatory gun background checks and making it a felony to privately purchase or even hand a gun to a friend without government permission. We the people of Washington State will not comply with this lawless legislation. The highest law is that of liberty and our Constitution. Our rights will be upheld.

On Dec 13th 2014, just after the law is legally in effect, we stand and disobey the illegal restrictions of i594. We must not wait for our rights to be decided but act swiftly to affirm them. In under 72 hours over 5000 have RSVP’d to this stand on Capital grounds in Olympia and assert their God given rights.

Learn more about this peaceful civil rebellion here: http://callmegav.com/ral/

View the event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033


Joining in the event will be speakers, patriots and families from across the State to remind our legislators that lawless legislation will not be obeyed and to teach others about their rights.
 Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children? We are not asking permission, we are not standing silent. Our birthright is not theirs to take. We stand peaceful, principled, firm and resolute for the liberty so many have perished for. We stand to uphold law and we will not comply with lawlessness from government.

We Stand! Stand with us.

In Liberty – Gavin Seim.
 gavinforliberty@gmail.com