Jim Burnsworth shot another pet Elk

[huntnphool]

Uh huh, thats what I thought, spew some crap then run and hide. If all you're on here to do Tony is stir the pot then get back on "your high horse" and ride over to the MM sunset, I don't much appreciate it and we dont need this kind of crap on here.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I agree 100% I have no issue with high fence, especially in ted case, he eats all the meat, doesnt hunt for racks and trophys and donates a ton to charitys.. if we all were as outspoken with knowledge and common sense then the fight would be that much easier.. how can anyone critize the one man who is at the front lines for all of us as hunters? no one believes more strongly in what we all love then ted nugent... NO ONE

[Hacksaw]

To me, this post isn’t really about how much Ted does to promote hunting rights. Huntnphool, I agree that Nugent has done more than almost anyone to bring the hunting rights issue to the forefront, but I bet Burnsworth also supports hunter’s rights and contributes to the hunting rights issue. I personally think Nugent is a great, patriotic American who has a lot of the same views I do.  I was just expressing my feelings about hunting on elk farms and the like. I believe that these hunts do more to project a negative image of hunting to non-hunters. Texas is a tricky situation. Almost everything there is high-fence, and the ranches are huge. In the eyes of many, this is different than hunting a 1,000 acre elk farm. But where do you draw the line? Ted has done a ton for hunting rights, but would you support it if he was killing deer over the internet like someone was trying to get started a couple years ago in Texas?

I think when killing becomes more important than hunting then we are hurting our hunting heritage and our hunting future more than we are helping it. In my humble opinion, there is no hunting on high-fence game farms, only killing. It is much easier to promote products and further commercialize the hunting industry when you can kill something easily and puff your chest out like you really knew what you were doing. Anti-hunters will always be anti-hunters. It’s the folks in the middle, like most of the folks I work with, who begin to resent the “it’s only a thrill if you kill” attitude. I am sick of the whole “if it’s legal, then I don’t care attitude.” Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it helps our cause. It is legal to shoot at elk from 1500 yards, but does that make it okay? Most of the people around me who don’t hunt, respect that I am hunter who loves all aspects of the hunt, regardless of the kill. They are actually turned off by most of the over-the-top, in your face antics of Ted, regardless of what I think about him.

I also support conservation groups like I am sure many of you do. I personally believe that the game farm industry has done much more harm than it has ever done good for the propagation of native species. Maybe I am wrong here, but if you have an example of this industry helping out the game that the rest of us are able to hunt, I’d like to see it. I used to be one those guys who said “I don’t care if they hunt on a game farm, but I don’t personally agree with it.” One day I actually decided that I did care. Not because of jealousy or anything like that, but because I think it negatively impacts the rights that true hunters are trying to protect.

I agree 100% I have no issue with high fence, especially in ted case, he eats all the meat, doesnt hunt for racks and trophys

Hoytstaffshooter, I figured a long time ago by some of your discussions and your screen name that you have totally different views about the commercialization of the hunting industry. I am not necessarily anti-Nugent, but he’s feeding his ego and his pocket book more than his stomach, and if he isn’t hunting for racks or trophies, then why doesn’t he hunt outside the fence? Hunting to me isn’t a competition against other hunters. It is sad to me that for some of us it is.

[Turkeyman]

He hunts allot of states Texas just happens to have allot of big ranches with fences. Ted does allot for hunter's he just has the money to hunt where he likes. we need more people like him protecting our rights and promoting our sport.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I agree 100% I have no issue with high fence, especially in ted case, he eats all the meat, doesnt hunt for racks and trophys

Hoytstaffshooter, I figured a long time ago by some of your discussions and your screen name that you have totally different views about the commercialization of the hunting industry. I am not necessarily anti-Nugent, but he’s feeding his ego and his pocket book more than his stomach, and if he isn’t hunting for racks or trophies, then why doesn’t he hunt outside the fence? Hunting to me isn’t a competition against other hunters. It is sad to me that for some of us it is.
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Im not really sure what exactly you mean by that first part, why do I support the commercialization of hunting because I am a pro staff shooter? also ted hunts plenty outside of a fence, alaska, here in wa with the same bear guide im using this year, in michigan etc.. he hunts fair chase all the time, im not sure if his ranch is fenced or not in texas but I know its huge..... he is a great sportsmen and does so much for us hunters.. he may be extreme and some people cant take that.. thats fine by me.. hes a great american and hunter IMO

[bobcat]

I don't have so much of a problem with the high fence hunting in Texas. It's just a way of life there, and mostly it's whitetail deer on huge ranches that in most cases they are just as wild as if there was no high fence, just because of the size of the area. It's a little different than a high fenced ranch in say, Idaho, where there are native elk herds present. There is no reason for a high fence there other than to provide guaranteed "hunts." I just don't like to see elk turned into domestic livestock. To me the ownership of any of our native big game animals should be illegal.

[huntnphool]

Huntnphool,I bet Burnsworth also supports hunter’s rights and contributes to the hunting rights issue.

I would assume he does as well, the problem is that I never said anything about the guy, all I did was express my opinion of Ted Nugent. Now all of a sudden words are being put in my mouth and I don't appreciate it!!!

 I should also point out that Ted does a great deal of his hunting and filming on his own high fence ranch that he supplies with game.

[50CalJim]

You can watch Jim Burnsworth tonight at 8pm on the Outdoor Channel.Its the Adventures Abroad show "Best of Jim 08 Sports"

[rasbo]

Whats wrong with Ted Nugent..yeah hes loud,hes a rock n roller.But he has earned everything he has.And he not ashamed to be an american..I guess if he sat on his hands,and didnt get all wild eyed about his beliefs on gun control,hunting and helping alot of our youth with confidence,he wouldnt be heard at all...I would love to sit around a fire with Ted and hear what hes gonna do next.Im sure it will be good.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Whats wrong with Ted Nugent..yeah hes loud,hes a rock n roller.But he has earned everything he has.And he not ashamed to be an american..I guess if he sat on his hands,and didnt get all wild eyed about his beliefs on gun control,hunting and helping alot of our youth with confidence,he wouldnt be heard at all...I would love to sit around a fire with Ted and hear what hes gonna do next.Im sure it will be good.

 


AMEN to that!!

[Hacksaw]

I don't have so much of a problem with the high fence hunting in Texas. It's just a way of life there, and mostly it's whitetail deer on huge ranches that in most cases they are just as wild as if there was no high fence, just because of the size of the area. It's a little different than a high fenced ranch in say, Idaho

Bobcat, I agree with you on the Texas issue. It's a lot different down there where there is literally almost no public ground. I don't have so much of a problem with the operations down there. I just don't like seeing deer shot under an automatic feeder. That tends to make me cringe.

Huntnphool, I don't appreciate people taking things out of context and trying to create drama where there is none. I am done on this topic. Read it again. I didn't put any words in your mouth. I just gave an example to make a point. I was just trying to convey that I agree with you on a lot of things about Nugent, but not all of them. A lot of people in both the private sector and the outdoor industry contribute time and money to support hunting rights, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. I can agree to have a different opinion than you. You think Nugent is great. I got that. I said I agreed with him on a lot of issues and acknowledge all of the stuff he has down to promote hunting rights. Hell, I’ve got pages of quotes from the guy that keep me laughing.  I just don't think that some of his tactics are the best for all of us in the long run. Sorry to offend you if I did. I honestly did not mean to accuse you of anything or put words in your mouth.

Later,
Justin

[runamuk]

I've been thinking more about this.

I don't know that the tv programs promoting high fence hunts are a great idea, but obviously some people enjoy them or they wouldn't be on tv.

At times in Europes history only landowners could hunt, it was something for the elite.  In some places caribou have been raised and hunted (kept much like livestock).  Then there are bison, which were almost eradicated and are mostly raised now on farms.  Then I think about pheasant release sites, these birds are game farm animals released into areas specifically designated for hunting.

Then there are people who want the trophies, the big 5 of Africa, the prestige and ego boost.  There are those who hunt for subsistence.  And there is always the whale hunting debate.  I might only feel one or two or none of these is ethical for ME but I don't feel comfortable telling others what ethics they should have.

I personally am not a fan of hunting predators.  However I have no qualms about killing one that is messing with my stock or my family.  I also understand there are those who enjoy hunting them, so as long as its legal its ok with me.

I still feel if the hunting community allows itself to divide the anti's will conquer.  That said I see no reason to not speak up about your hunting preferences and why you prefer it, that is educational.

OH and I like Nugent ..... I'd never heard of these other people, we don't get the outdoor channel.

[rasbo]

I've been thinking more about this.

I don't know that the tv programs promoting high fence hunts are a great idea, but obviously some people enjoy them or they wouldn't be on tv.

At times in Europes history only landowners could hunt, it was something for the elite.  In some places caribou have been raised and hunted (kept much like livestock).  Then there are bison, which were almost eradicated and are mostly raised now on farms.  Then I think about pheasant release sites, these birds are game farm animals released into areas specifically designated for hunting.

Then there are people who want the trophies, the big 5 of Africa, the prestige and ego boost.  There are those who hunt for subsistence.  And there is always the whale hunting debate.  I might only feel one or two or none of these is ethical for ME but I don't feel comfortable telling others what ethics they should have.

I personally am not a fan of hunting predators.  However I have no qualms about killing one that is messing with my stock or my family.  I also understand there are those who enjoy hunting them, so as long as its legal its ok with me.

I still feel if the hunting community allows itself to divide the anti's will conquer.  That said I see no reason to not speak up about your hunting preferences and why you prefer it, that is educational.

OH and I like Nugent ..... I'd never heard of these other people, we don't get the outdoor channel.

Nice piece runamuck,there is a right side to ya

[Hunterman]

huntnphool,

I was not attacking you, and for the reason I didn't get back to you is I had things to do with my family, I DO NOT HIDE FROM ANYONE AND NEVER WILL, plus I have never been to this MM board ( that I can remember).. I don't stir up chit on here I just speak my mine and I will be damned if I'm going to hold back my view because I might offend someone.

Now let me explane my post. I was speaking of this post (Jim Burnsworth shot another pet Elk) and how PEOPLE are quick to judge a person for hunting behind a fence, then turn around and say someone else just great. To me Ted Nugent is an obnoxious ass clown..Yes he speaks out about gun, hunting, and the rights of ALL Americans.  He IS a hell of an American.  I just can't stand him.

If you can tell me what the difference is then by all means go for it. I myself don't see anything wrong with hunting ( shooting) behind a fence. If I had the land I would set up one myself for kids and the physically challenged.  

Hunterman(Tony)

[257 Wby Mag]

Tred Barta, Ted Nugent, Jim Burnsworth, Jim Zumbo, they're ALL donkey's.....