setting the record straight

[jackelope]

It is not that I agree or disagree with baiting. I was originally ticked off from the thread that was calling all hunters to write the wdfw and tell them you disagree with the legislation banning baiting and if you are not against that legislation you are an anti-hunter.

You sure have a funny way of not disagreeing with baiting.

Pretty sure that other guy who started the thread you reference got almost the same response as yours.
Let it go.

[jackelope]

Agree to disagree on this issue. 

Agreeing to disagree on whether to agree or disagree?
Or not..........

[runamuk]

Agree to disagree on this issue. 

Agreeing to disagree on whether to agree or disagree?
Or not..........

Who's on first?

[Netminder01]

Agree to disagree on this issue. 

Agreeing to disagree on whether to agree or disagree?
Or not..........

Maybe the record (subject of this thread) is not set.  Sure seems as of LR33 is just trying to stoke the flames to get a reaction which at the least, would be a predictable one from the majority of Hunt WA members.

[bowhunterwa87]

Best reason I can see for baiting would be youth and disabled hunters who cannot get out in the way that they wish they could

[jasnt]

What about the guy that owns just a little chunk of land and surrounded by huge farms and large timbered private land.
a food plot/creating cover/ providing water / minrels/salt is not enough when your surrounded by un huntable alfalfa fields and no access timber plots.

See, your too smart for your own good. They should just pay the high access fee for the timber land or trespass on the private farmland.

Actually this is a point that I have been wanting to make.
These small parcels of huntable land are often surrounded by private land or areas that may not always be safe to shoot, BUT with proper positioning of a bait pile and stand, a shot can be taken in a safe direction. This is something that everyone should encourage in the name of safety.

that is the exact situation in in. North is homes,east are homes and farms, south is a safe shot but no access,same with most west shots and NO access! I have provided the above and a bag of corn or 2 once a week. After 5years now of year round investment in getting some ok bucks and does with very healthy fawns. The best bucks still spend most their times safe in the alfalfa fields or timber and 95% of my deer traffic is after shooting light has ended. Then by late buck the deer seem to disperse. I hunt public land for late season when I can afford to.

that timbered land is private property, not a timber company. It is posted no hunting like everything else in the area

[Skinnyguts]

Agree to disagree about baiting. I have spent a lot of time in the woods and have watched deer and elk just stand around with more than enough time to shoot any of them without any bait. This argument will go on forever without any change of opinion. I will never use bait and those that wish to use bait have at it. Topics like this just seem to breed discontent with few offering pros and cons on the issue and lead to just people getting ugly with each other.

The reason I think this topic breeds discontent is because it is purely emotional. Don't ban it just because it tugs your heart strings. If you don't want to ban it but don't do it, why argue about it. People are justifiably getting mad because their method of hunting is potentially getting axed only because some bleeding heart "hunters" don't think it is ethical. Your offense= you don't like it, my defense= I like it. It pisses me off that the wdfw would even consider banning anything based on the squeaky wheels emotions.

[Fowlweather25]

I agree with everything that idahohntr said. I have tens of thousands of trail cam pictures from a couple of baited camera sites, most of which are at night. Constant upkeep of the site is required. Lots of hours in the stand or the blind, which by the way, if you think that's "easy" you've got it all wrong. Maybe it's not physically as difficult as backpack hunting, but it kills me mentally. I can't stand to sit in 1 place for that long.
With all that said, I've never hunted over bait. I sat in a blind with a friend a few weeks ago(unarmed). I lasted 2 hours then I had to quit. I was all out of patience.  I've got a lot of respect for the guy who has the mental capacity and commitment to sit in a blind or tree stand for that long to make it happen. I do hunt out of my
backpack and I put a bunch of miles in on foot every year. I just really enjoy the trail cam pictures I get and if they help someone get a great animal, then I'm all the more pleased. We've got a few of the animals killed that I've had on camera, but never while hunting over the bait site. It's not that I'm against it. It's just not my preferred style of hunting.

I 100% agree x2

[jackelope]

Topics like this just seem to breed discontent with few offering pros and cons on the issue and lead to just people getting ugly with each other.

You've started 2 of them in 2 days. You are fueling the unnecessary fire at this point. Don't promote taking away from fellow hunters based on your own preferences. I couldn't care less how you hunt as long as it's legal. Rather than starting more threads to "set the record straight", let it go and support your fellow hunters before there is nothing left to support.

[Bean Counter]

If you use the bad apples to represent the entire group...no collection of people will ever look good: baiters, hunters, anglers, police officers, priests, lawyers, doctors, no one group is immune from a few ruining the image of many.

Hey! 

why did you leave accountants off that list?

[mfswallace]

Topics like this just seem to breed discontent with few offering pros and cons on the issue and lead to just people getting ugly with each other.

You've started 2 of them in 2 days. You are fueling the unnecessary fire at this point. Don't promote taking away from fellow hunters based on your own preferences. I couldn't care less how you hunt as long as it's legal. Rather than starting more threads to "set the record straight", let it go and support your fellow hunters before there is nothing left to support.

With all due respect, I started discussions, asking for an explanation for why baiting is so important. The ugliness i refer to are the comments telling me to shut up, im an idiot for talking about this, since I have not lived in this state my entire life I have no say in this issue. Emotion deals with every issue like it or not, emotion is the very reason an issue becomes an issue. Not one person bothered to quibble with words and tell me there is a difference between baiting deer and feeding deer. Bait is something you place on the ground right before season to bring in the deer. feeding is what is taking place from the sound of it with all these trail cams and limited hunting areas and scouting and the emplacement of stands and blinds in the right way to get the best shooting angle.

Everything that is voted on is based on emotion, how else do you think 594 passed since those that voted for it obviously did not think about it. Maybe just maybe I starred up (pissed off) enough emotion on here that more hunters will get involved and let the wdfw know that banning baiting of deer and elk is a bad idea.

Baiting is important because it is one more legal tool that hunters of differentiating status can use to experience the thrill of the entire experience we call hunting!

Hence the tread asking others to write WDFW to let them know baiting is important to us as hunters!!

 You will never get it apparently, no matter how well it is explained, until you experience it. 

 Try it    Find someone here that does it and ask to help 

[vandeman17]

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results.

Some people just don't get the underlying argument here and keep talking about it when it is obvious they have their mind made up and have NO CLUE what it is everyone else is trying to get across to them. Might as well cut the losses and lock this thread because it will go nowhere 

[Curly]

It pisses me off that the wdfw would even consider banning anything based on the squeaky wheels emotions.

They need to quit taking away opportunity.  One of these days they'll wonder why license sales are so low and so few youngsters are taking up the sport and so many older guys have gave it up or hunt out of state exclusively.  WDFW is doing a good job of irritating people who used to support them.

[vandeman17]

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results.

Some people just don't get the underlying argument here and keep talking about it when it is obvious they have their mind made up and have NO CLUE what it is everyone else is trying to get across to them. Might as well cut the losses and lock this thread because it will go nowhere 

Oh gosh, hey guy I just said I understand it is important to keep this method of hunting. I'm indifferent as to this method.

Not trying to get in an argument but you have changed your tune multiple times. Just calling it as I see it

[Bean Counter]

Not sure what the point of this thread is or was. Are we arguing about arguing?