The 210 Accubond LR in my 06'!?!

[BULLBLASTER]

Lets say I set my 300 Win up for long range work... that 210 AB oughta be the chit for that though right?

persinally i would go with bergers for a dedicated long range gun. The 215 has been phenominal for me!
For an 06 i would run 180s. Pretty good trade off in velocity amd bullet weight. Maybe 190 lrab if you wanted to stick to that. I shoot 180 partitions and 180 interlocks in my 06.

[Hornseeker]

Deer/elk... bear/wolf... whatever... hehehe

So, out to 400, will the barnes still have enough velocity or is it going to pencil through? Looks like I should have between 2000-2200 FPS at 400...

[bobcat]

Lets say I set my 300 Win up for long range work... that 210 AB oughta be the chit for that though right?

Yes, I think it would be a great choice in a 300 mag. Not sure Id trust it for going through elk shoulders though.

[bobcat]

Deer/elk... bear/wolf... whatever... hehehe

So, out to 400, will the barnes still have enough velocity or is it going to pencil through? Looks like I should have between 2000-2200 FPS at 400...

I've always wanted to try a 150 grain Barnes in my 30/06, loaded as fast as possible. The faster the better with Barnes bullets.

[Curly]

Here is what Barnes says:

The LRX (Long Range X) bullets are flying out of here faster than we can make them. These are an optimized version of the Tipped TSX bullet and they have unique qualities that may make them better for you under a few circumstances.

An improved nose and boattail to be even more streamlined (higher BC value). This will again add to the distance you can shoot and still achieve bullet expansion. On top of that, we have lowered the minimum impact velocity to achieve expansion from 2000 fps (for most of the Tipped TSX calibers and weights) to 1600 fps for all of the LRX bullets. Again this will add about another 200 yds to your maximum effective range. In some larger cartridges this will allow the bullets to expand out to distances of 1000 yds or more.

I'd read that to mean that with tipped TSX or your standard TSX bullets, you'd want velocities at 2,000 or more.  You can get away with velocity all the way down to 1600 if you use the LRX bullet.

If I were shooting a 30-06 in conditions you're describing, I'd seriously look at the 165 gr Accubond, 180 gr Accubond or 150 gr E-tip.

[Hornseeker]

Bobcat, my buddy is loading the TSX 150 in his 300 short... same reason you speak of... they dont fall apart... so they perform like a bigger bullet.

Funny, cause I was just looking at ballistics for the 130 grain Barnes!! Thinking the SAME thing.. . I mean... elk die ALL THE TIME with 100-130 grain pills from stuff like 243-270! Why not a 130 at 3250 fps...?

Or I could just keep shooting the 168's that have kilt everythign I've shot at for the last 15 years....

Nah... i need to experiment a little!

[Hornseeker]

I just realized I went from figuring I had to have the 210 in there... now and Im down to the 130... heck... how about picking up some sabots and loading the 55 grain barnes in at 4100 fps....

[BULLBLASTER]

With a 200 yard zero you would drop 18 inches at 400 yards and have terminal velocity of 2150 using a 130 barnes at 3250 mv. Your on the edge of its capabilities. Light low bc bullets going fast arent great for longer range.
And its still a barnes... 

[BULLBLASTER]

The 130 barnes at 400 yards would have 1300 fpe.
While a 180 accubond at 2750 mv would drop 21 inches at 400 yards with same terminal velocity you woild have over 2000 fpe. Huge difference imo. No way i would choose a 130 barnes over a 180 accubomb for very close to the same trajectory. If you go further the accubond is actually flatter shooting.

[Hornseeker]

Yeah, the LR benfit of the AB is sweet... it still blows my mind how a bigger, heavier bullet can retain velocity at longer ranges better than a lighter bullet... dont get me wrong, I understand the physics, I just find it fascinating!

[bobcat]

The 130 Barnes is too light, IMO. But the 150 should do much better.  Check the ballistics for it. I wonder how it compares with the 180 grain Accubond out to 400 yards?

[bobcat]

I just realized I went from figuring I had to have the 210 in there... now and Im down to the 130... heck... how about picking up some sabots and loading the 55 grain barnes in at 4100 fps....

   Funny how that happens isn't it?

[BULLBLASTER]

I mispoke on the energy of 180... oops.
Screenshots are 180 accubond at 2750 and 150 ttsx at 2900. The 150 is 21.5 inch drop amd 180 is 22 inch drop.
with minor trajectory differnces i would still go heavier.

[BULLBLASTER]

This all shows that for ranges most people hunt at bullet choice for trajectory isnt all that big a deal.  pick a quality bullet in a reasonable weight and hunt!

[coachcw]

So I ran some numbers on the 168 accubonds  vrs the 210 lrabs . I don't see a real advantage inside of 400 yards . you gain a small amount of energy with the 210 but have better trajectory with the 168's . you may find the gun groups the 168s better . in the Winnie where you can load up for better velocity the 210s will shine.  my history with the copper bullets like the tsx is they have a sweet spot like a partiin . at hyper velocities they don't expand well but in the 1600-2400 range they work fine . I really had great performance with the 140 vlds in my 6.5 from 3000 fps to 2600 . this season they take 800 fps to expand so you can load accuracy all the way. the thing with them is you want to hit the pocket or you have a mess . I'd conceder the ssts in 180 aswell I have seen good performance from that bullet at 3100 fps.