Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[KFhunter]

I was asking why wolves would never populate the OP naturally.

[bobcat]

I was asking why wolves would never populate the OP

Oh, well, I think they very well could. It would take quite a while for them to get there, in my opinion, but I don't doubt it could happen. Although I'm not a biologist and I really don't know how well they'd do in the thick habitat over here. Yes, wolves were native here 100 years ago, but it was entirely different back then.

I'm pretty sure they could do quite well around Mt. St. Helens but how much they could spread from there I really don't know.

And btw, what I said in the previous post was not that they would never get to the Olympic Peninsula, but that they DID NOT NEED TO (to satisfy the requirements of the WDFW wolf plan)

[Curly]

 One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

[mkcj]

 Some of you are believing  that if we never get wolves on the west side that somehow we will have less wolves? because if you think that some day they will say OK, we don't have the 15 BP's in the 3 areas of the state for 3 years in a row listed in the plan, but we'll open a season to the east side only. I'm sorry but your dreaming! How many wolves would we have in the eastern side before all 3 are areas meet the goal? 500, 1000? ask Idaho what happens when you wait and see.

[KFhunter]

I was asking why wolves would never populate the OP

Oh, well, I think they very well could. It would take quite a while for them to get there, in my opinion, but I don't doubt it could happen. Although I'm not a biologist and I really don't know how well they'd do in the thick habitat over here. Yes, wolves were native here 100 years ago, but it was entirely different back then.

I'm pretty sure they could do quite well around Mt. St. Helens but how much they could spread from there I really don't know.

According to pro-wolf bio's.... "A wolf is a wolf is a wolf"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tXplYRCUpk

That's how they discredited the argument that they transplanted the wrong wolf instead of the native timber wolf they bring in these land sharks out of Canada; but when wolves in India eat people  (http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/chorus/?q=node/253)  it's not the same wolf, when we talk about transplanting some wolves back to the OP the bio's don't know if they'll survive in the dense forest.....when we talk about huge Canadian wolves in the NE  "a wolf is a wolf is a wolf"


Did you know the bio's wanted the bigger wolves hoping they'd eat the buffalo in YNP?   It didn't work, the Elk population plummeted and the buffalo increased.
Buffalo do more a lot more damage to the stream beds/bank than Elk do.

[Humptulips]

I was asking why wolves would never populate the OP naturally.

I think they will make it to the OP but St Helens is in a different mountain range separated by bunch of people and roads. The Olympics are not north of St Helens.
Honestly if you E Wa hunters think you have problems you should try deer hunting on the OP. I often think what will the wolves eat when they get here. The cougars have pretty well taken care of that.
Why do you think all the deer hunters head to the east side? That's what I hear  on here.

[northwesthunter84]

Really even if the do move them and delist them the greenies will just get them put back on the list just like the upper Midwest this past year.  So it won't matter.   I say drop a couple breeding pairs in king county and see how long it all lasts, most people can't hunt there anyways do to closures.  My take care of quite a few issues all in one shot.

[jasnt]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

[Curly]

I said they wouldn't naturally make it to the Olympic peninsula. It just seems unlikely  to me.  If they finish off what's left of the St Helens elk herd, maybe they would make their way across interstate 5 into the Willipa Hills, eat up a bunch of those elk and work their way north eventually reaching the peninsula, but to me that seems really unlikely.

Any ranchers think about filing a lawsuit against the wdfw? I think they should for the stupid plan they came up with.  If they move wolves to other parts of the state,  they should be sued too.

[bobcat]

I'm fine with de-listing wolves, I just don't want the WDFW wasting money on moving wolves around the state when the wolves are fully capable of moving themselves.

[huntnphool]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

 What will be the result of delisting in this state?

[KFhunter]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

 What will be the result of delisting in this state?

We will see something very similar to our current cougar plan once WDFW delist and allow hunting.

hmm, I wonder if the cougar plan is a test model for wolf management now I think about it ?

[Curly]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

 What will be the result of delisting in this state?

It will make us feel better for a while if we get a season. But ultimately it does nothing. What we need is a more realistic  management  plan.

[Humptulips]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

I think that is wishful thinking. Especially in Pugetropilis. Probably be more worried about how long the line is at Starbucks then what wolves are doing. Pretty hard to concern someone who works in a cubicle and lives in a Condo.

[jasnt]

One thing we need to remember in this state, is that even if delisting happens and even if wdfw allowed a season, the stupid voters would  have an initiative out really fast preventing the killing of wolves.  Hunting won't even keep them in check much anyway, but I know it would make us feel better being able to legally shoot them.

I think if the more of the state was having wolf problems there would be a much greater cry for a wolf hunting season. I understand how this sounds. Ever wonder why most the people crying about delisting are in the NE wa(yes not all). It's because of what we are dealing with, what we've seen and been through. None of us want more wolves or to wish these problems for any one else. But we do want delisting! If you lived here you would be on this side of the fence!

 What will be the result of delisting in this state?

hopfully a hunting and trapping season. They can't protect them forever! Something is going to break. Like I said earlier if there is a major out cry from everywhere in the state(not just eastern wa) it would be harder to ignore.  Also like I said earlier we are never getting rid of wolves they are here to stay, we may as we'll get to enjoy hunting them and make the most out of these lemons