Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[idahohuntr]

Now thats a reliable source!!!   

So WDFW is unreliable and many others say they are incompetent etc.  However, they have managed to pull off an elaborate and illegal scheme transporting wolves and releasing them, and to this day not one former employee, staff member, legislator, member of the public, hunter, other government employee, the media OR anyone else for that matter has provided a single piece of evidence of this supposed illegal wolf transplant into WA state?  Wow!  I had no idea WDFW was so capable of pulling off such an elaborate scheme.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical...the wolves migrated to WA as their populations expanded rapidly in nearby states. 

[stevemiller]

yeah,but them wolves that came here on their own were put in Montana. and Idaho, Semantics.If they(WDFW) dont want to help thin them out then they might as well have brought them here.NO?

[Ridgeratt]

Back prior to 2010 there were posts of USFWS and WDFW trucks roaming all over the North east parts of washington during the winter. Not sure if they were passed thru the archives but they did include photos.  Some of which I do think Bearpaw maybe able to find.

[CAMPMEAT]

Now thats a reliable source!!!   

So WDFW is unreliable and many others say they are incompetent etc.  However, they have managed to pull off an elaborate and illegal scheme transporting wolves and releasing them, and to this day not one former employee, staff member, legislator, member of the public, hunter, other government employee, the media OR anyone else for that matter has provided a single piece of evidence of this supposed illegal wolf transplant into WA state?  Wow!  I had no idea WDFW was so capable of pulling off such an elaborate scheme.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical...the wolves migrated to WA as their populations expanded rapidly in nearby states.

ALL government agencies lie their asses off, that's a proven fact.....

[idahohuntr]

Now thats a reliable source!!!   

So WDFW is unreliable and many others say they are incompetent etc.  However, they have managed to pull off an elaborate and illegal scheme transporting wolves and releasing them, and to this day not one former employee, staff member, legislator, member of the public, hunter, other government employee, the media OR anyone else for that matter has provided a single piece of evidence of this supposed illegal wolf transplant into WA state?  Wow!  I had no idea WDFW was so capable of pulling off such an elaborate scheme.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical...the wolves migrated to WA as their populations expanded rapidly in nearby states.

ALL government agencies lie their asses off, that's a proven fact.....

Ok 

[wolfbait]

I'm 99% sure I have wolf poop on my ridge, 250 yards from my house......raise your hands, anybody on the westside of the state does, near Seattle. C'mon, raise your hands...anybody ?

And I'm 99% sure this this comment makes no sense  ... so whats your point?

" this this " makes no sense to me. Explain yours. The westside people who vote for our demise, need wolves in their backyard as well. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Why? What's simple is that if the wolves want to be over here, they will get here on their own. They sure don't need our help. That's just plain ridiculous.

Robert,

The wolves didn't want to be here either. They just showed up with some help...and now everybody in government denies it, strange and ridiculous.

Campmeat

Wrong. The wolves in Washington obviously DID want to be here, so the USFWS with WDFW's help, started dumping wolves in WA and called it migration, The wolves that got help are the wolves in Idaho and Montana. Funny how people continue to get confused on that.

Again, for those who aren't aware, there never was a wolf re-introduction in Washington.

Put some truth in there for ya Bobcat.



Where did Washington's wolves "migrate" from?

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Northern Rocky Mountain Recovery Program Update
2008
Until 2008, no wild wolves had been confirmed west of the DPS boundary in Washington or Oregon. However, in July 2008, a wolf pack (2 adults and 6 pups) was discovered near Twisp, WA (just east of the North Cascades and west of the DPS boundary). Genetic testing showed these wolves did not originate from the NRM DPS; instead they apparently dispersed southward from the wolf population in southcentral British Columbia. Both adults were radio-collared and the pack is being monitored via radio telemetry by Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. If this pack persists it will remain separated and distinct from the NRM DPS by the large expanse of unsuitable wolf habitat in eastern WA and OR.
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt08/FINAL_2008_USFWS_Recovery_Program_Update_3-17-09.pdf

DNA samples confirm gray wolves are back in Methow Valley By Joyce Campbell
Methow Valley News
July 24, 2008
DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.
“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating." http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-clips/dna-samples-confirm-gray-wolves-are-back-in-methow-valley

Is there a difference between “southcentral British Columbia” and “northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada”?
Perhaps the USFWS and WDFW should have gotten their story straight as to where they were going to say the wolves came from? I guess they couldn’t say, we hauled them in from Idaho with horse trailers, it just wouldn’t fit the narrative of: (“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.” )

“DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia”, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, “Conservation Northwest” said in a press release.   http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/06/25/will-federal-delisting-impact-states-wolves/

http://tomremington.com/2014/06/09/the-naturally-migrating-gi-wolves/

[M_ray]

I'm 99% sure I have wolf poop on my ridge, 250 yards from my house......raise your hands, anybody on the westside of the state does, near Seattle. C'mon, raise your hands...anybody ?

And I'm 99% sure this this comment makes no sense  ... so whats your point?

" this this " makes no sense to me. Explain yours. The westside people who vote for our demise, need wolves in their backyard as well. Pretty simple if you ask me.

So predictable 

[AspenBud]

The USFWS brought in the wolves, yes. But not to Washington. Wolves were already present in the state prior to the that anyway.

Save your breath Bobcat, this argument is a lot like this one...

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/mcmorris-rodgers-should-ask-hometown-folks-about-obamacare/

Even when the facts say otherwise people will believe what they want and push what they want if it serves their own self interest.

[wolfbait]

The USFWS brought in the wolves, yes. But not to Washington. Wolves were already present in the state prior to the that anyway.

Save your breath Bobcat, this argument is a lot like this one...

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/mcmorris-rodgers-should-ask-hometown-folks-about-obamacare/

Even when the facts say otherwise people will believe what they want and push what they want if it serves their own self interest.

Actually Bobcat, just like the decimation of the Lolo elk herd by wolves>not habitat, the illegal dumping of wolves by the USFWS and WDFW in Washington has become public knowledge.


The Real FWS Wolf Recovery Agenda

That agenda has been promoted in “Society for Conservation Biology” publications by federal biologists involved in wolf recovery since Canadian wolves were first transplanted. David Mech’s “The Challenge and Opportunity of Recovering Wolf Populations” appeared in the 1995 Volume. 9(2) issue of “Conservation Biology.”

In 2001, environmental groups, including The Nature Conservancy and the World Wildlife Fund, joined with the National Park Service in creating a more sophisticated magazine called “Conservation Magazine” designed to sell the wildlands/biodiversity agenda to academia. In 2004 FWS Wolf Team Leader Ed Bangs praised a BS thesis by a biology student concerning non- lethal wolf “control” (later published in Conservation) and announced he had hired her as a wolf “specialist”.

Wildlife biologists in all three recovery states knew about the numbers deception but only Wyoming G&F, under pressure from its Governor, attempted to hold FWS to the original de-listing criteria. IDFG Director Groen’s Jan. 14th News Release declared the Department’s intention only to “stabilize” (halt the dramatic annual increase in) existing wolf populations in Idaho.

Because IDFG estimates Idaho had a minimum population of 732 wolves in the fall of 2007 that means F&G intended to maintain a minimum of at least seven times as many wolves in Idaho as we were told would exist after recovery. But pretending that the biologists’ estimated minimum fall wolf population is near the actual wolf population is simply another deception misleading Idahoans and their elected officials as will be illustrated later in this article. Read More @ http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf




Wolf impacts underestimated

According to the Wyoming Game and Fish Department, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service grossly underestimated the impact of a reintroduced population of wolves.

• The wolf population in the Greater Yellowstone area in 2005 was at least 3.3 times the original environmental impact statement prediction for a recovered population.
• The number of breeding pairs of wolves in the GYA in 2005 was at least twice as high as the original EIS prediction and the number of breeding pairs in 2004 was at least 3.1 times the original EIS prediction.
• In 2005, the wolf population in Wyoming outside Yellowstone National Park exceeded the recovery criteria for the entire region and continues to increase rapidly.
• The estimated annual predation rate (22 ungulates per wolf) is 1.8 times the annual predation rate (12 ungulates per wolf) predicted in the EIS.
• The estimated number of ungulates taken by 325 wolves in a year (7,150) is six times higher than the original EIS prediction.
• The percent of the northern Yellowstone elk harvest during the 1980s currently taken by wolves (50 percent) is 6.3 times the original estimate of eight percent projected in the EIS.
• The actual decline in the northern Yellowstone elk herd (more than 50 percent) is 1.7 times the maximum decline originally forecast in the EIS.
• The actual decline in cow harvest in the northern Yellowstone elk herd (89 percent) is 3.3 times the decline originally forecast in the EIS.
• The actual decline in bull harvest in the northern Yellowstone elk herd is 75 percent, whereas the 1994 EIS predicted bull harvests would be “unaffected.”
• Since wolf introduction, average ratios of calf elk to cow elk have been greatly \depressed in the northern Yellowstone elk herd and in the Wyoming elk herds impacted by wolves. In the northern Yellowstone elk herd and in the Sunlight unit of the Clarks Fork herd, calf:cow rations have been suppressed to unprecedented levels below 15 calves per 100. The impact of wolves on calf recruitment was not addressed by the 1994 EIS.

WG&F stated: “Despite research findings in Idaho and the Greater Yellowstone Area, and monitoring evidence in Wyoming that indicate wolf predation is having an impact on ungulate populations that will reduce hunter opportunity if the current impact levels persist, the Service continues to rigidly deny wolf predation is a problem.”

The 1994 EIS predicted that presence of wolves would result in a 5-10 percent increase in annual visitation to Yellowstone National Park. On this basis, the EIS forecast wolves in the region would generate $20 million in revenue to the states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. WG&F reports that annual park visitation remained essentially unchanged after wolf introduction, and has decreased 2.6 percent since the wolf population reached recovery goals in 2000.

“ Since park visitation did not increase as originally forecast, the Service cannot legitimately conclude presence of wolves has had any appreciable effect on net tourism revenues,” WG&F stated.

WG&F stated: “Wolf presence can be ecologically compatible in the GYA only to the extent that the distribution and numbers of wolves are controlled and maintained at approximately the levels originally predicted by the 1994 EIS –100 wolves and 10 breeding pairs.” WG&F maintained that FWS “has a permanent, legal obligation to manage wolves at the levels on which the wolf recovery program was originally predicated, the levels described by the impact analysis in the 1994 EIS.”

http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm



Stevensvill Montana Ranching & Agenda 21-How wolves are used as a tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX4wpTSszFQ


Yellowstone is Dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYxGJB5dJxI

[WAPatriot]

I don't trust the government for one second. I wouldn't put it past them to plant wolves in certain areas.  But I don't understand how fellow hunters and sportsman could want to have wolves placed in other hunters backyards. It is wrong plan and simple. Additionally, wolf haven and northwestward life trek need to be shut down they are a disaster waiting to happen. And rumors are that the wolves wolf haven has been breeding are not just Mexican wolves but Greys too. And rumors are they have been releasing them.  The place is so fishy there are large areas that are off limit to public because certain wolves are to be released into wild.

[idahohuntr]

Actually Bobcat, just like the decimation of the Lolo elk herd by wolves>not habitat, the illegal dumping of wolves by the USFWS and WDFW in Washington has become public knowledge.

No wolves have been released in WA by USFWS or WDFW.  That's just a fact you are going to have to accept. 

[cardinalguns]

Open up the hunting season on wolves and let the fun begin- wife needs a nice jacket!

[Curly]

Actually Bobcat, just like the decimation of the Lolo elk herd by wolves>not habitat, the illegal dumping of wolves by the USFWS and WDFW in Washington has become public knowledge.

No wolves have been released in WA by USFWS or WDFW.  That's just a fact you are going to have to accept. 

 
Too many people it seems believe the government planted wolves in this state.  No good facts have ever been provided to make me believe that WDFW or the feds dropped of some wolves here.  Just seems much more likely that they came here on their own.  Just look at OR7 I think he was/is called.  They tracked that wolf all over Oregon and California for how long?  Wolves can really cover some ground.

One question I still always wonder about though, is why the wolves that were known to exist here in the 80's and 90's didn't take off and start repopulating like the wolves of current times? 

[jasnt]

"One question I still always wonder about though, is why the wolves that were known to exist here in the 80's and 90's didn't take off and start repopulating like the wolves of current times? "

That's one I'd love answered as well!!
Also why do they say the lookout pack was the first in 70 years

[mountainman]

"One question I still always wonder about though, is why the wolves that were known to exist here in the 80's and 90's didn't take off and start repopulating like the wolves of current times? "

That's one I'd love answered as well!!
Also why do they say the lookout pack was the first in 70 years