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Elk hunters want later elk season
« on: December 30, 2008, 08:46:45 PM »
http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/712492.html


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Published December 30, 2008

Elk hunters want later elk season
SCOTT SANDSBERRY


In his heart, Curt Johnson is a big bull hunter. That’s the only kind of elk he really wants, and although he hunts every year, he has waited 10 years to draw that any-bull tag.

This year, he got it. Life was good. But then, unfortunately, so was the weather.

The area Johnson hunts in the Nile, he says, “I know like the back of my hand, I’ve been hunting there so long.” For 35 of his 47 years, in fact.

Over the nine-day 2008 modern-firearm elk season that ended Nov. 2, though, Johnson saw a grand total of 10 elk.

Only one was a male — a raghorn bull, a small 4-by-5. He shot it simply because he wasn’t seeing anything else and didn’t want to come away empty-handed.

“It wasn’t what I wanted,” says Johnson, a Yakima resident. “I’d rather get something to fill my freezer than nothing at all, because I love the meat. Over the years I’ve shot plenty of elk, but it’s aggravating for me and my buddies.”

What’s aggravating to those long-time hunters in the Cascade foothills west of Yakima is the timing of the season itself, which they say is simply too early.

“I shot my bull elk in my tennis shoes and a T-shirt,” Johnson says. “In my tennis shoes. Give me a break.”

Hollis Baughman, 72, of Yakima, has been hunting the Nile for 50 years.

“We used to hunt in the snow,” Baughman says. “Now you can go out in a T-shirt. In that kind of weather, those animals just get in the deepest, darkest canyons they can find. I didn’t see nothin’ ... and I hunted hard, too.”

A quarter-century ago, modern-firearm elk season in the game management units (GMUs) populated in winter by the Yakima herd ran from Nov. 1 to Nov. 18. In 1996 the general season dropped down to an 11-day season and then to nine days the following year, when the general hunt also reverted to spike-only because of poor bull-cow ratios in the herd.

Steve Brulotte of Moxee, who has hunted Yakima-area elk since he was 8 years old, says he misses the old days of longer, later modern-firearm seasons.

“The archery guys have got the best seasons of the year,” says Brulotte, 61. “They’ve got the rut in the deer season (Sept. 8-21) and then they’ve got the cold-weather season (Nov. 20-Dec. 8 ) for elk. “It’s sad when guys have cow (elk) permits and can’t fill ’em because they don’t see a cow the whole season. In general, the rifle guys have got the worst season of all.”

Johnson agrees.

“Everybody I talk to is so disgusted. Everybody’s pulling out early because they’re not seeing any animals — because the dates are wrong. Half my camp’s ready to quit hunting,” says Johnson, who believes the WDFW doesn’t do a good enough job of publicizing its meetings in a timely fashion so concerned hunters can plan to attend.

Jerry Nelson, who heads up the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife deer and elk section, has heard all this before. He understands the hunters’ frustration, but he also has a job to do — and the statistics to verify just how difficult it is.

“A lot of folks don’t know this and are really surprised by it,” he says. “Of the approximately 11 Western elk states, we are the smallest in landscape area, but the human population is second only to California, with well over 6 million now. We have approximately 50,000 to 55,000 elk, and we put roughly 90,000 elk hunters in the field this year — people who actually go out in the field.”

In 2006, Washington had the western states’ highest congestion of active, in-the-field elk hunters —1.3 hunters for every elk. The next highest were Oregon (1.1 hunters for every elk), Colorado (0.8), Montana (0.7) and Idaho (0.6). Setting up deer and elk seasons, Nelson says, is “really two things. One is trying to fit all of the seasons into a finite calendar, and that includes deer and elk, and that includes archery, muzzleloader and modern firearm.”

The other part, he says, is the vulnerability of the animal to excessive harvest. Were the elk season pushed back, he says, “Those numbers would go up and we’d ultimately be taking more elk than we want to kill.”

Regional wildlife program manager Ted Clausing says having a single season in which the harvest numbers were higher than anticipated could result in a change in ensuing years.

“There’s no question that for one or two years you could make a season where everybody’s happy and successful,” he says. “But if you had a real high success rate on bulls, you’d have to reduce that so your recruitment would hold up.” WDFW surveys routinely indicate that hunters prefer having the seasons fairly consistent, rather than changing from year to year. As a statewide group, hunters haven’t even shown a profound interest in the very issue that most irritates the Yakima elk hunters.

A 2008 hunt-season survey question on whether to push the Yakima-area elk season back a week, so that it would run through the first week of November, drew only tepid response. Of nearly 4,000 respondents, 36.1 percent favored pushing the season back into early November, while 34.8 percent opposed it; the remaining 29.1 percent responded that they had no preference.

That may be because of hunters like Yakima’s Steve Calhoun, 50, who packs in by horseback to hunt in the higher elevations of the Norse Peak Wilderness. He doesn’t want to see a later season because there would simply be too much snow.

“In the old days you could get a foot of snow in the high country and the elk would stay for a few days,” he says. “Now there isn’t even any snow on the south slopes and they’re already heading for the feed stations. First weather, they’re heading out.”

This year, the high-country weather cooperated, and Calhoun’s group had plenty of elk-hunting opportunity. Still, he can commiserate with the hunters in the lower elevations who came away empty-handed this year.

“I used to hunt in those lower areas,” he says, “and if I hadn’t started hunting in this Norse Peak area, I’d be like everybody else: I’d want the seasons later.”

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 08:50:47 PM »
Hey thats from the Yakima Paper 8). I saw that too.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 09:18:18 PM »
Heaven forbid we cut back the number or tags and give us a chance to hunt better seasons for better animals. 

Stupid tag salesmen will never figure it out. 

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2008, 09:31:07 PM »
I think if they move the season back they will shorten the season so the harvest isn't too exesive. I don't want a season shorter than it already is :(.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2008, 10:02:48 PM »
WELL WITH ALL THE MEMBERS ON THIS SITE  IF WE ALL BAND TOGETHER AND NOT BUY LINCES AND TAGS FOR ONE YEAR WE COULD MAKE THEM FEEL THE PAIN. BUT I DONT THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.  :twocents:J

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 10:05:11 PM »
WELL WITH ALL THE MEMBERS ON THIS SITE  IF WE ALL BAND TOGETHER AND NOT BUY LINCES AND TAGS FOR ONE YEAR WE COULD MAKE THEM FEEL THE PAIN. BUT I DONT THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.  :twocents:J

I'll do it!!

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 10:08:29 PM »
THANKS FOR THAT WE ALL HAVE OTHER STATES WE CAN APPLY FOR WITH BETTER ODDS.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 10:15:15 AM »
Unfortunately, if they did move it back, we'd get a winter with a lot of early snow and nobody could get back in to where the elk where and we'd gripe about that. 

Guys, we're stuck. 3 weapon groups and not enough elk to go around.  If you want a better quality hunt, we are going to have to go all permit and that means some of those 55,000 elk hunters are staying home.  Maybe never to go again. 

Tough choices for this state are on the horizon.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 10:21:49 AM »
I am not in favor of later seasons on elk or deer. They seems to be getting hammered in the winter by mother nature already.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 11:10:18 AM »
EASY FIX

regarding Any Bull A tags: Early season for wildnerness area hunters and later for lower elevation hunters, create new GMU to reflect.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 11:25:34 AM »
They are a f'n joke.  So we have the most people and the least land?  How does it make sense to have unlimited tags?  Unlimited general tags is not a management strategy - how could it be?  Think about it and someone explain how that's a management strategy.  Just keep selling tags and forget actually managing the herds until we stop buying tags.

I'd hunt every other year or 2 if I had a chance at hunting good seasons with trophy potential.  With the family all putting in someone would draw almost every year which means we'd still get opportunities just like in MT where someone in my group draws every year.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 11:26:06 AM »
Even with that change to later seasons I don't believe it is correct. To me the seasons are right. The animals are simply hard to hunt. Sometimes finding the animal of your dreams is dumb luck and other times it is a lot more than a chore.

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2008, 11:36:49 AM »
Sounds like this guy should do his homework...... >:(

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2008, 11:54:33 AM »
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Make it to where if a land owner does not give permission to hunt his land....then they do not get damage money!

Seems like a no brainer. I think that would fix some of the problem. Question is - Is that really something which is happening? Land owners taking damage money but not letting hunters in...

BTW I still don't believe a change in the seasons is appropriate any way someone paints it. Just my thoughts..

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Re: Elk hunters want later elk season
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 12:11:47 PM »
I think the seasons are fine where they are at. If those guys in the article could have hunted the late season in the nile like I did along with the early season in there they would still be complaining anyways. The weather sucked this year. No snow during the late season and warm weather. The early season is always hot, and there was a full moon. Nothing you can do about the weather. What I do notice in the nile is that a lot of people are driving around on the roads and never even get back in the woods to hunt.

 


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