Baiting: A possible solution?

[singleshot12]

"Excessive baiting" is the key word and problem.. The commercial guys are ruining it for the little guy. When herds of deer and elk start changing their historic routes or migration paths due to massive bait piles,common sense should tell anyone that something, SOMETHING should be done to create fair opportunity. Hunters who stand by fair chase ethics that choose not to bait are seeing the effects.

[Elkstuffer]

I was also at the meeting today and voiced my opinion in favor of "No Change". After listening to everyone's testimony and the reaction that a few of the commission members had I really believe that there will be no change at this time until it can be studied further. I also stated that this should be a "biological" issue and not a "social" issue, which is what the bear baiting turned in to. Mr. Kehne, commissioner from Omak (where the biggest issue of baiting seems to be the quantity of bait used)  agreed that there shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to this agenda. So hopefully we are good for another 3 years.
The GMAC voted 17 to 0 for no change also.

We also may see expandable broadheads legalized this year too. Jerry Nelson had a pretty convincing argument for that.

[buckcanyonlodge]

Why are we even capitulating on this?

A person looking to find a problem can find one in just about anything a person does, demonize it - and get another "rule" or law passed.

I'm sick of it, just leave us the heck alone 

 

Divide and conquer...Get all the hunters arguing about how much to put out , how far from the road/stream/property line..visible not visible, no apples, no molasses, what dates you can bait , how much to charge for a baiting license , goes on and on!! The WDFW has some moles amongst us keeping the pot stirred.
I can see it now the WDFW sending samples to the lab to determine if there are illegal amounts of whatever illegal substances the WDFW passes. And confiscating your truck and gun because there is evidence that there was an apple in the bed of your truck that is parked within 50 feet of a stream that only flows three months a year. But the stream could have a Bull Trout migrating through and eating a piece of corn that washed into said "stream" from your bait pile.. Give me a break.  Problem was created by the WDFW.  THERE WAS NO PROBLEM. Just my two cents worth here. Might be a little on the angy side....must be that I just got out of heart surgery a couple days ago--I'll blame it on the drugs.

[BULLBLASTER]

I wish i would have known there were so many huntwa guys there. I spoke as well and emphasized the lack of scientific reason as well as unenforceability of a 10 gallon limit.

[Bob33]

... what is the difference from dumping a bag of feed on pubic land...

[Bob33]

... what is the difference from dumping a bag of feed on pubic land...

I have run across a couple real messes people have left behind. I figured this was a big part of the anti-baiting thing?

Read the quote carefully.

[lokidog]

Quantity seems to be the only real issue I have seen here, socially or biologically.   

[Jingles]

I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

[KFhunter]

I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

Couldn't you just simply state you don't agree with a possible baiting exemption for disabled hunters?
The rest of your statement is unnecessary and very likely to derail the topic.

[KFhunter]

A couple of folks posted basically the same thing,  "do it anyway they can't stop you"

It's no longer enjoyable if someone in my party is doing something not quite kosher with the regulations, even gray area things.  Saps the enjoyment right out of it, I won't be a party to it.  It's creeps me out. 



So no I won't just ignore the regs "because they can't enforce it anyways". 

[jasnt]

I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

it takes much more than being obese to get a dissabled hunters card. It is not as easy as getting disability or a handicap sticker!

[huntingbaldguy]

I understand what you're trying to do here, really i do, but the constant erosion of rights we're subjected to because of someone elses ideology, and the fact that some hunters go along with it is so irrational that it begs the question.  What is the big deal?  Why propose no apples or molasses?  Why propose distance from road like public opinion of my currently legal ability to shoot a deer while obeying all laws, actually matters to me? 

Distance is only a thing for me because i don't want the deer to run on someone elses property.  The law already exists that you can't retrieve an animal from private property unless you get the permission of the landowner.  So we are sitting here thinking of ways to double up on laws and it makes no sense. 

Deer also eat apples that fall from trees naturally.  I have it on cam, right under an apple tree.

If you're asking me to propose common sense laws, i will always go with ones that strengthen our ability to bait and hunt, never ones that restrict more.  If you want those, i will rattle off half a dozen in minutes, but i can't think of a single one i like that restricts me more.

[Brad Harshman]

I was also at the meeting today and voiced my opinion in favor of "No Change". After listening to everyone's testimony and the reaction that a few of the commission members had I really believe that there will be no change at this time until it can be studied further. I also stated that this should be a "biological" issue and not a "social" issue, which is what the bear baiting turned in to. Mr. Kehne, commissioner from Omak (where the biggest issue of baiting seems to be the quantity of bait used)  agreed that there shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to this agenda. So hopefully we are good for another 3 years.
The GMAC voted 17 to 0 for no change also.

We also may see expandable broadheads legalized this year too. Jerry Nelson had a pretty convincing argument for that.

Elkstuffer - your testimony was spot on. I really appreciated your insight on WDFWs guiding principles about how they need to manage the game in a scientific manner.  And not making game management decisuons based on social issues.  I thought to myself, "this guy knows his stuff."  You put the Commission in their place, you reminded them that this issue, if not looked at through a biological lens, is not an issue for them at all.  Were you quoting their mission statement?

I also agree with you, no changes will be made to the baiting rules this year.  On the other hand we could very well see expandable broadheads legalized for big game this year. 

HuntWa needs to have hats made up so we can recognize fellow members wherever we go.

[Special T]

 

[bearpaw]

Why are we even capitulating on this?

A person looking to find a problem can find one in just about anything a person does, demonize it - and get another "rule" or law passed.

I'm sick of it, just leave us the heck alone 

 
I agree. There is not really a need for the law. The restrictions are proposed by anti hunters and they get people who hunt to agree with them by playing on their emotions.

Today at the WDFW meeting, it was NOT anti-hunters wishing for baiting restrictions.  It was fellow hunters.  But they didn't want to see total outlaw of baiting, they wanted to see the excessive baiting to be put in check. 
It sounds like it's the guides in the Okanogan that are causing the ruckus.  Other hunters are sick of it.  The guides are making money from our state's deer without regulation (unlike fishing guides).  The guides are altering migration routes with these dump truck loads of snicker bars (apples).  They're pulling deer from other hunter's property. 
It's a big enough deal for them to start calling out this baiting practice.  I heard it first hand today.

Are the complaints mostly coming from private land baiting or public land baiting?