Baiting: A possible solution?

[lokidog]

this whole issue is about baiting mule deer

That may be, but it is not where the impact will stop.

[huntnnw]

hillarious that people think wild animals will just consume whatever you dump till they die! same thing with salt licks...deer and elk only hit them when they need it and they move on..they dont just sit on them for hours and gorge on salt! Most elk and deer spend minutes at a site and leave, same with bait. Most mature bucks hit a site for mere minutes and leave. Same with does they might hit a site for 10 min and leave and come back hours later

[zike]

 

If you needed bait tags then on top of over priced tags in wa for season they give in my opinion that is then they would sell bait tags for probably like $15 a piece or some crap. WA tries to charge for everything that's what makes me mad.

I don't think they should be able to charge for the "tags" but I have no problem with requiring some form of accountability for baits on public land.
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You know what they say, you want to play you have to pay, it costs money for the tags.LOL

I was watching ME game wardens, cleaning up a pile of apples. They were saying baiting isn't fair chase.  Of course what do they know.

[lokidog]

If you needed bait tags then on top of over priced tags in wa for season they give in my opinion that is then they would sell bait tags for probably like $15 a piece or some crap. WA tries to charge for everything that's what makes me mad.

I don't think they should be able to charge for the "tags" but I have no problem with requiring some form of accountability for baits on public land.

You know what they say, you want to play you have to pay, it costs money for the tags.LOL

I was watching ME game wardens, cleaning up a pile of apples. They were saying baiting isn't fair chase.  Of course what do they know.
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They only "know" what their opinion is.....

[huntnnw]

 

[jasnt]

hillarious that people think wild animals will just consume whatever you dump till they die! same thing with salt licks...deer and elk only hit them when they need it and they move on..they dont just sit on them for hours and gorge on salt! Most elk and deer spend minutes at a site and leave, same with bait. Most mature bucks hit a site for mere minutes and leave. Same with does they might hit a site for 10 min and leave and come back hours later

this is what I've seen consistently with my year round baiting practices for the last 5 years with white tails. But when there is less forage or the most my plots are done for the year then they hit the bait more often than usual.

BearPaw.  Let's slow down here.  It's not where you what, it's what you bait with that's the issue.  Apples are bad.  Scientifically speaking, the deer don't need more protien in the winter fall, and apples don't provide that.  If guys want to bait, let them, but require them to bait with quality nutritional foods.  If they use salt they should be required to use mineral blocks that contain selenium, which is necessary for does to carry full term. 
It'd be easier to enforce, apples dump = ticket.  Simple.

This is BS, alfalfa at certain times of year can be a lot worse for deer than apples.  They can digest sugars for energy use anytime but may not have the proper bacterial mix to digest alfalfa when it is given in the middle of the winter thus filling their bellies with no useable food.

So Bearpaw, you think it is OK to limit bait volume to 8 cubic feet but think saying two five gallon buckets is too hard to figure out?  How the He... are they supposed to measure 8 cubic feet?  It seems to me that two five gallon buckets would be a lot easier to estimate if not actually "raking it up".     It seems that you are just set on getting "your way" and not really taking other people's opinions into consideration.....

As far as private land goes, if I want to dump a pile of apples on the end of my friggin' driveway, there is noone in this country that has a right to tell me I can't do so!!!  Now, if there is a bait quantity limit, then fine limit my pile to two buckets or some nebulous 8 cubic feet, but noone can tell me where I can or can't put it on my property.

Thats not what I have observed...he has taken a lot of input and is trying to find a solution to provide the commission that will protect people who bait while addressing the most egregious practices which have created this uproar.

As far as no one telling you where you can put bait...I suppose thats true...but if you want to hunt over that bait then you will have to comply with whatever rules are passed by the commission or legislature.

[lokidog]

everyone's definition of "fare chase" is different. I know there are several legal methods of hunting/fishing that I personally don't agree with, bur I'm not going to regulate opportunity away just because I don't like it.

This would be WDFW's definition, we will charge you a huge "fare" to chase anything.....      

[Dan-o]

I don't like giving ANY ground on baiting.

Having said that, if NO CHANGE isn't an option, I'd go for minimal change, to include no baiting within XX yards of a public road.

[huntnnw]

Sounds like there will be no changes right now after the meeting, but something in the future

[Elkstuffer]

We didn't have any of these problems before becuase you know why? Hardly anyone baited! Back in the day 20 yrs ago most hunted the traditional way for their venison.

I say we educate the general hunting population away from the baiting norm instead of more laws to keep it. Deer and elk DON'T don't need to be baited for a successful hunt.

 OR make it simple and only allow baiting for the handi-cap and over 65 

Obviously you have never tried still hunting for whitetail in NE WA with a bow when there is 4" of crunchy snow under foot in Nov.
How about this concept: IF IT IS A LEGAL METHOD OF HUNTING SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW HUNTER INSTEAD OF GOING AGAINST THEM!!!!!!
"IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING TO PROTECT HUNTING (WHICH INCLUDES ALL LEGAL METHODS) THEN YOU ARE WORKING TO DESTROY IT"!  Fred Bear said this a long time ago and it couldn't be more spot on today.

[grundy53]

We didn't have any of these problems before becuase you know why? Hardly anyone baited! Back in the day 20 yrs ago most hunted the traditional way for their venison.

I say we educate the general hunting population away from the baiting norm instead of more laws to keep it. Deer and elk DON'T don't need to be baited for a successful hunt.

 OR make it simple and only allow baiting for the handi-cap and over 65 

Obviously you have never tried still hunting for whitetail in NE WA with a bow when there is 4" of crunchy snow under foot in Nov.
How about this concept: IF IT IS A LEGAL METHOD OF HUNTING SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW HUNTER INSTEAD OF GOING AGAINST THEM!!!!!!
"IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING TO PROTECT HUNTING (WHICH INCLUDES ALL LEGAL METHODS) THEN YOU ARE WORKING TO DESTROY IT"!  Fred Bear said this a long time ago and it couldn't be more spot on today.

 

[Elkstuffer]

I know I'm going to get slammed here but oh well Go ahead.

I totally disagree with the no restrictions for the "disabled" and my reason is as follows
Look around at the majority of the handicap disabled placards and the lard asses getting out of the cars using these placards.

I'm sorry but being a fat A-- and being to dumb to realize you need to loose weigh and to lazy to get off the couch except to go to Walmart and get in their electric shopping cart in no excuse for a handicap placard and sure as hell isn't deserving of special privileges....

And lazy a**es like you who are to stupid and lazy to get out and actually hunt something, should be allowed to continue baiting so you can sit on your bait pile and kill your deer? No baiting for anyone and the disabled won't get any special privileges.

I beg to differ Zike, I'm the most fit 50 yr old I know and baiting is far from lazy. It is simply a LEGAL method of hunting that I choose to use. I start going to my hunting area in the spring, which is a 5 1/2 hr drive one way. I pack a 50lb salt block into my sight about 1/2 mile from the truck. Then multiple trips (usually 5) starting in Aug and leading up to Nov and pack in a couple bales of alfalfa and 50lb bags of cob. Last year during the season I averaged 11 hrs a day in a treestand with the average temps about 2 degrees. I've been doing it this way for 6 years now and have yet to kill a trophy buck. I could have killed a number of does, fawns and small bucks at any given time. So tell me Zike, what part of this sounds lazy to you? I suppose driving to the woods on opening morning for the first time all year and venturing a couple hundreds yrds off the road and back to the truck by 10 am is the less lazy and more manly way of hunting because that's what your old man taught you. Give me a brake!

[JimmyHoffa]

If all the complaints are from a certain region and regarding mule deer, why not just address this GMU by GMU?  The fishing regs go in to detail for nearly each river.

[BULLBLASTER]

Or just regulate it to a certain time frame. GMU XXX will only have baiting allowed from the month(s) of September to  October, all bait must be removed by Nov. 1st to protect migrating animals. Or just don't change it at all.

tbis is probably the best idea i have heard if anything should be done. Addresses the issue at hand without impeding anyone else...

[MtnMuley]

This is exactly what I submitted several times to WDFW.  Address the area where the problem is occurring.  It seems to be a very simple solution to me.