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Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
Public News Service - WA | July 2015 | Download audioAnimal WelfareEndangered Species & WildlifeEnvironmentPublic Lands/Wilderness



PHOTO: More than 200 cougars a year are killed by hunters in Washington. Animal rights' organizations are asking the state Fish and Wildlife Commission to change its recent decision to increase the cougar quota in some hunting units. Photo courtesy Wikimedia Commons.
July 6, 2015
SEATTLE – The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is being asked to rethink its decision to allow more cougars to be killed during hunting season.

The recommended quota, based on in-state university research, has been 12 to 16 percent of the cougar population – but the commission increased the number to 17 to 21 percent in some hunting management units.

The Humane Society of the United States says there's no scientific justification for it. Dan Paul, the society's Washington director, says cougars often inhabit wolf country – and since wolves are off-limits to hunters in the state, he suspects cougars are paying the price.

"This is not about cougar management at all, and this is not about public safety," he says. "We already have the ability to take care of 'problem cats.' This appears to be targeting cats as a way to appease folks that want to shoot wolves, but can't."

The Fish and Wildlife Commission proposed a higher quota for the next three years, then dropped it to one year. The Humane Society and other groups have petitioned for a return to the original quota. The commission has 60 days to respond.

Estimates put Washington's cougar population at over 3,000 animals, with more than 200 a year killed by hunters.

Paul describes the state's cougar population as stable and healthy. One concern with a higher quota is it could change the dynamics of that otherwise healthy population. He says the "trophy animals" sought by hunters are adult male cougars – and when there are fewer of them, younger males become more dominant. That, he says, is trouble.

"The young cougars will move in, and they don't know how to interact with people well, so they're going to create conflict," he says. "This whole plan is really convoluted, because you're killing more cougars. But they're going to make these new cats, way less experienced, and have way more problems."

According to research cited in the Department of Fish and Wildlife's Game Management Plan, even increasing hunting quotas to 24 percent wouldn't affect the number of cougar-human conflicts.

Cougar hunting season begins September 1.

Chris Thomas, Public News


http://www.publicnewsservice.org/2015-07-06/animal-welfare/animal-rights-groups-challenge-washington-cougar-hunt-quota/a46988-1


Just makes me wanna puke! :bash:
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 09:35:59 PM »
"Humane Society". What a crock.

Too bad that WDFW gets slammed from both sides.
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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2015, 10:02:50 PM »
How about some stats on how many animals the Humane Society euthanized every year ? Because they spend all their donations on management salaries!

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2015, 10:20:03 PM »
"Estimates put Washington's cougar population at over 3,000 animals, with more than 200 a year killed by hunters."  That adds up to 6.67%

"The recommended quota, based on in-state university research, has been 12 to 16 percent of the cougar population – but the commission increased the number to 17 to 21 percent in some hunting management units."

So we could kill  over 400 a year and still be in the recommended quota :bash:
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The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2015, 11:12:47 PM »
I saw 3 of the 3000 cougars at 8:30 tonight around their mule deer kill :bash:  :puke: 2 days old :puke:

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2015, 04:49:54 AM »
I thought we were supposed to work with these people? I wonder why they would hamstring the process like this? I like how they had to throw in the statement that we want to kill wolves but we can't so we take it out on the cougars. That definitely paints the correct portrayal of hunters.
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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2015, 05:50:34 AM »
I thought we were supposed to work with these people? I wonder why they would hamstring the process like this? I like how they had to throw in the statement that we want to kill wolves but we can't so we take it out on the cougars. That definitely paints the correct portrayal of hunters.
they will never work with us on any subject. Their goal is to take away hunting all together.  Hsus is an enemy not an Allie, anyone who thinks they will ever give in on ANY issue is clueless!!!
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2015, 07:51:21 AM »
Still trying to figure out how the hell a game management issue got on the ballot for bleeding heart liberals to decide? :bash:  Emotions and rational thinking mix like oil and water.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2015, 08:23:12 AM »
I think most are confused about what this group does and does not do or how politically powerful some of these more pro-wolf groups are in WA state.  If the greenies don't have a seat at the table, they actually become more powerful.  Adding them as one member or voice amongst a group of other members/voices eliminates their ability to cry foul over not being included but also forces them to sit amongst pro-hunting groups and listen to other viewpoints.  This is where the personal relationship building can be very effective in working on finding common ground and solutions in controversial issues...otherwise...they certainly don't need a facilitator...post a wolf article in the seattle times and link it to Hunt-Wa and DoW webpages and let the fringe folks go at each others throats...that will work I'm sure.

If this were Idaho or Wyoming I could see telling the greenie groups to take a hike...but in WA it is a non-starter.  Also, a big part of these advisory groups is actually an opportunity for WDFW to educate multiple stakeholders on wolf management...make sure all sides are getting the same information and updates so there is less unintentional miscommunication/misinformation. 

I could go on and on about why it is essential to have folks you philosophically disagree with come to the table to discuss these issues...bottom line though is it will be a necessary part of any kind of wolf management in this state.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2015, 08:28:04 AM »
That post is in reference to the WAG and why it was a better move to include other groups on that committee.  If you are suggesting by this post I support the humane society making wildlife management decisions you are mistaken.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2015, 08:35:00 AM »
That post is in reference to the WAG and why it was a better move to include other groups on that committee.  If you are suggesting by this post I support the humane society making wildlife management decisions you are mistaken.

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Isn't that what the WAG is doing? This organization has a representative on the WAG correct?
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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2015, 08:38:46 AM »
The WAG does not make any decisions on wildlife management.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2015, 08:39:58 AM »
The WAG does not make any decisions on wildlife management.

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Quote from:  link=topic=174866.msg2313494#msg2313494 date=1431847802
What's to lose?  If we can get some traction amongst folks on lethal control so not every removal is contested...that would be great.  Will we get HSUS to support sport hunting of wolves...no.  Nor will they get hunters and many others to support an end to all hunting.  But if we can get reasonable, diplomatic people representing these various interests to talk to one another it might be surprising where we find common ground.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2015, 08:47:27 AM »
I don't remember animals being mentioned in the Bill of Rights.  Then again, 90% of what is a "right" these days isn't justified.

Not surprising, this group is well known for wanting to ban hunting.  Like most articles these days, the anti crowd gets interviewed and nobody from the other side.

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Re: Animal Rights Groups Challenge Washington Cougar Hunt Quota
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2015, 08:51:52 AM »
The WAG does not make any decisions on wildlife management.

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The WAG will certainly influence decisions or it wouldn't have been formed.
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