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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2015, 09:44:23 AM »
Many of these shows have probably all crossed a line they shouldn't have at some point.  They film them because many of these guys are or think they are hard core.  The mentality of making it happen comes at a cost sometimes.  The edge over the next guy, can be the edge that gets them hung up.  By their nuts in this case.
Many hard core people have a tendency to operate in the grey area.  :bdid:
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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2015, 09:59:30 AM »
I feel for you guys that really looked up to him...kinda reminds me of Kirt Darner, couldn't get enough of his books and lectures in the 70s and 80s  before television shows and social media you had to read their books or go see them give a lecture......he turned out to be one of the biggest pieces of garbage in the hunting industry, I just couldn't believe it at the time.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2015, 10:16:28 AM »
This will be a question for the mods......

Now that a guilty plea has been entered I think there is no doubt about guilty/not guilty of the charges. I've seen one sponsor go away for less than professional behavior and this far exceeds that.

Has his sponsorship been removed? Is a ban in order for this? If you think about it, for a what....$25 dollar fee to be a sponsor....you can reach around 14,000 possible clients on here. That's a lot of opportunity to sell your poaching dvds.
I could see the ads removed/refunded.  But maybe they would want to keep him on?  He could do the whole don't go down the dark path and get caught up in the action like I did type post (hunting addiction anonymous?), kind of like when they would bring all the convicts to school for assembly time.  Guy still has a lot of technical knowledge with archery equipment.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2015, 10:39:34 AM »
Sad to see on so many levels.  Tough to digest.  Really disappointing.
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

Every father should remember that one day his children will follow his example instead of his advice.


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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2015, 10:42:47 AM »
Yep, fame and money. Seems like some of these guys will do anything to make a buck off of hunting. Glad he got busted now and it didn't go on for years. Good wake up call for a nice young man who went to the dark side.
In addition to the fines, Alwine will be banned for four years from hunting, fishing and trapping in Montana as well as in Washington, Idaho and 41 other states that have reciprocal agreements, Murphy said.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2015, 10:48:45 AM »
Antler crazy..... I HATE that portion of the hunting community

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2015, 11:52:45 AM »
This made the front page of the Spokesman this morning, not just the sports page.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2015, 12:01:29 PM »
He's banned for four years, whoa ! A poacher = criminal = not obeying the punishment. Wow, that's really a harsh punishment, since the WDFW won't be breathing down his neck 24/7... repeat offender.
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2015, 04:36:49 PM »
He filmed my son's first deer.  Still have the show on my DVR.  I'm gutted to hear this.  Such a shame

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2015, 06:36:30 PM »
This will be a question for the mods......

Now that a guilty plea has been entered I think there is no doubt about guilty/not guilty of the charges. I've seen one sponsor go away for less than professional behavior and this far exceeds that.

Has his sponsorship been removed? Is a ban in order for this? If you think about it, for a what....$25 dollar fee to be a sponsor....you can reach around 14,000 possible clients on here. That's a lot of opportunity to sell your poaching dvds.

He wasn't a sponsor of H-W so there is no sponsorship to remove. I have done a few shows for Matt and am very dissapointed to hear this.  :bdid:
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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2015, 06:43:23 PM »
Roger Dale. Now go get clients on some critters tomorrow  so we can see the updates!

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2015, 07:18:46 PM »
5 and 4 years ago, my 13 year old son had the chance to spend a few hours in the field with Matt on a couple of occasions.  He had 2 of his hunts filmed by Matt (Only one made the TV).  He hung around Matt as much as possible when not in the field.  He really looked up to him for his short time he spent with him. 

My 13 year old son who still to this day lists "to be a hunting show host" as one of his adult occupation dreams because of his interactions with Matt, my 13 year old son who refuses to cry at anything, when I read the article to him, didn't cry but did clearly welled up a bit and simply muttered, "I thought he was one of the good guys" before getting up and walking to his room.

He is absolutely heartbroken.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2015, 07:31:06 PM »
That sums it up Dub-j.

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2015, 07:43:12 PM »
WHAT THE -------BEEP BEEEP AND BEEP ...That hurt !

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Re: Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2015, 08:03:45 PM »
I know that the pressure to get footage can be very intense. Every sponsor expects you to deliver. That is what they paid for. Outdoor shows can run up to $100,000 per quarter to air. I have dipped my toe in the outdoor film industry and I understand the overwhelming demand that can be placed on you from sponsors. It's funny when people have money involved they seem to forget that it is still hunting and nothing is a guarantee. All that seems to be forgotten and it comes to the point where your dreams are going to die if you do not produce.

What Matt did was wrong. Dead wrong. He negated every positive message that was ever passed on through his show. Though he may not remember me I have met Matt a few times and my impressions of him were that he is bit of a narcissist. Fame and success can do that to just about anybody. The ideal personality would remain humble and make every effort to not let it go to their head. Unfortunately, most people are not able to do that. When everybody you meet tells you how amazing you are at some point you will start to believe that yourself. For all of you who feel like that would never be you..... it's easy to say that when your not in the one with the fame.

I have worked with some of the biggest names in the waterfowling industry and I have met some great guys and some guys who I detest, Chad Belding, is a prime example of a person who more than believes his own ledged. It can happen to anybody, fame brings out different parts of everybody, sometimes they are not the good parts.

I cant help but to feel that we as the audience are not part of the problem as well. We elevate these people to unrealistic levels. We treat them as hunting gods and forget that often times it really has more to do with a person having a large bank roll than skill. Anybody could kill 400 inch bulls and 165 inch whitetails if they had the right amount of money. That is what guides are for. This is no secret. This is a general statement as Matt does have skill, don't take that away from him. He just made poor choices and hopefully learned a lesson in ethics, morality, and humility. The point is that if we the viewers were happy watching "ACTUAL" hunting in which sometimes the hunter is unsuccessful the pressure would not be as high. The demand for constant success from both viewers and sponsors can quickly become overwhelming and lead to hosts making poor choices like Matt has done.       

There are some VERY good hosts out there who have remained humble and who use the fact that they are famous to hold themselves to a "HIGHER" standard and that is they way it should be. As a host, if you want to believe the ledged of greatness that people create for you, you must live and hunt the way they believe you do.

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Your right ! It cost a sheet load of money to produce a T.V Show ...That's why the T.V Show guys pay big bucks to get on land where they know they can kill big animals ...That's why I do not care much for todays T.V shows ...If it was all done like Fred Bear or Larry Jones , I would be more into it ..Never was a trophy - had to brag about it kinda hunter ...That's really to bad ! We all make mistakes and hopefully he learns from it ..

 


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