Ethical to shoot past 400 yards at elk w/AR15 based rifle? Yes/No

[JDHasty]

Need to get your 6.5 AR15 going!

That should end this little drama.

I'm the only person who can have a Cheytac based bolt gun built in less time than I can have a bunch of AR parts slapped together! When the AR is done I'll post pics of my new elk rifle. That should put all these 6.5 Grendel lovers in their place. If 2500 fps is good for 400 yards (but not 411) then 2700 fps can get me to at least 750!

It is hard to ignore the irony of a guy who's screen name is Biggerhammer being on the minimalist side of a cartridge debate.

It's never ending! When my .450 Ultra Magnum was introduced. I was a sadist, over gunned, inefficient and down right morbid. All of it being somewhat correct.😈😈😈😈

Oh woe is me, woe is me

[Bob33]

The party's over.

If you kids want to take pot shots at others, do it somewhere else.

[dontgetcrabs]

The party's over.

If you kids want to take pot shots at others, do it somewhere else.

How about at mule deer at ranges closing on 500 yards? 

Notice I say AR15 based rifle and in this I explicitly want to not include AR10 based rifles that handle 308 Winchester based cartridges in this discussion. 

AR15 based rifles handle cartridges that are based on native cartridge brass that ranges in size UP to 7.62X39 or 30 Remington. 

What say you?

Absolutely YES!!!  And that's not opinion it indeed is FACT!!!  Now move along.

The party ended when I posted this.   

[JDHasty]

The ballistics are there,  but is it ethical?  I don't think so.  I'd say more animals are crippled than harvested at those long ranges. Just feeding the yotes.

After re-reading this entire thread, my inclination is that under ideal conditions it can be done.  Would I recommend it?  No  Is it ethical?  I am closer to your assessment that it is "just feeding the yotes" than I can accept as far as it being considered ethical.  I am inclined to believe that under field conditions an unacceptable level of the risk of crippling is likely.


 

[bobcat]

You re-read the entire thread? You're a glutton for punishment! 

Now go read the Bigfoot thread from beginning to end.

[Dan-o]

The ballistics are there,  but is it ethical?  I don't think so.  I'd say more animals are crippled than harvested at those long ranges. Just feeding the yotes.

After re-reading this entire thread, my inclination is that under ideal conditions it can be done.  Would I recommend it?  No  Is it ethical?  I am closer to your assessment than I find acceptable.  I am inclined to believe that under field conditions an unacceptable risk of crippling is likely.

I'm not sure of your position.

Can you restate it?

[Biggerhammer]

Hard to dispute the dead Elk with said chambering at said distance. 17 pages of fluff.

[JJB11B]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

[JimmyHoffa]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

yes

[Biggerhammer]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can't be done on a AR15.

It can be done on a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

I'm going to build a AR10 in .300 WSM shortly. I want the custom mags in hand before I commit.

[JJB11B]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can be done in a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

seems like its a pretty pointless thing then, if you want a gun to shoot longer range get a bolt gun in one of the growing #s of long range cartridges, seems like a standard Rem 700 in 270 win would be better.....MY OPINION it only matters to me though

[Biggerhammer]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can be done in a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

seems like its a pretty pointless thing then, if you want a gun to shoot longer range get a bolt gun in one of the growing #s of long range cartridges, seems like a standard Rem 700 in 270 win would be better.....MY OPINION it only matters to me though

It had nothing to do with what is "Better". It had to do with  if it could be done and screw the forced ethics issue. To each their own. It has been done and was done.

We have rifles plenty capable of taking Elk beyond a 1000 yards, what do you think the guy backing up the main shooter was driving?  People don't stop to think or ask about such things. So I let them roll.

[Dan-o]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can't be done on a AR15.

It can be done on a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

I'm going to build a AR10 in .300 WSM shortly. I want the custom mags in hand before I commit.

Interesting.

I imagine if you could do a .300 WSM you could do a .325 WSM?

That would be a pretty wicked elk/bear platform for he west side.

An AR-10 brush gun in .325 WSM.........   hmmmmmm...........

[JJB11B]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can be done in a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

seems like its a pretty pointless thing then, if you want a gun to shoot longer range get a bolt gun in one of the growing #s of long range cartridges, seems like a standard Rem 700 in 270 win would be better.....MY OPINION it only matters to me though

It had nothing to do with what is "Better". It had to do if it can be done and screw the forced ethics issue. To each their own. It has been done and was done.

I would give up a testicle for a 6.5 Grendel AR with a 20" Barrel and a Nightforce scope....

[JJB11B]

can anyone answer my ? Can you chamber 7 wssm in an AR-15?

It can't be done on a AR15.

It can be done on a AR10. There ar AR10's chambered in .300 SAUM. The magazine is the issue. Complete custom mags.

I'm going to build a AR10 in .300 WSM shortly. I want the custom mags in hand before I commit.

Interesting.

I imagine if you could do a .300 WSM you could do a .325 WSM?

That would be a pretty wicked elk/bear platform for he west side.

An AR-10 brush gun in .325 WSM.........   hmmmmmm...........

you could use that on your in laws if you run into them again while looking for your camera