Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle

[Dan-o]

Wait........     was this bull shot with a full choke???

[JDHasty]

The main issue isn't how this bull elk was "domesticated" but that the elk tag the hunter used was not valid in the unit.

It's the same as if a guy with an eastern tag killed a bull in western Washington. It's illegal. Period. It's not that complicated.

There is no difference between him killing a Roosevelt on the coast with that tag and killing a bull in GMU 334.  The tag was no more valid for the latter than it was for the former.  If this defense is allowed to stand it throws the door wide open in the future. 

In order to get to a conclusion that everything was on the up and up, assumptions have to be accepted that demand a series of logical leaps and coincidences to all come together.  While that would not make it impossible it certainly complicates accepting that version of events.

[Tbar]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

[cbond3318]

I don't suppose routine calls to WDFW are recorded for training purposes ?

[huntnphool]

I don't suppose routine calls to WDFW are recorded for training purposes ?

  And without a recording it's he said she said. If Tod Reichert is going to rely on his "we got permission over the phone" defense, the burden of proof is on him.

[257 Wby Mag]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

Ahhhh th he good old hunt wa court. Remember the big bull that got poached in the green river watershed? Or was it the cedar river watershed? Or was it washougal? This place is and people are funny for sure....

Oops, remember when Agnew killed the non typical record, flew in and out killed the same day flying??? Blah blah blah..... the list goes on and on...

[jackelope]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

Ahhhh th he good old hunt wa court. Remember the big bull that got poached in the green river watershed? Or was it the cedar river watershed? Or was it washougal? This place is and people are funny for sure....

Oops, remember when Agnew killed the non typical record, flew in and out killed the same day flying??? Blah blah blah..... the list goes on and on...

It wasn't in the 'Shoug!!

[257 Wby Mag]

I woulda much rather seen "Bullwinkle" ironed out on I-90 by a semi!!

[DaveMonti]

Wait........     was this bull shot with a full choke???

Let me clarify.  The bull died by choking on alfalfa. 

[Landowner]

Under the subject of pot stirring, I haven't seen any criticism of the landowner who helped sentence a near tame elk to death.

Carry on.

[huntnphool]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

remember when Agnew killed the non typical record, flew in and out killed the same day flying??? Blah blah blah..... the list goes on and on...

 A non issue and completely irrelevant to this case, let's not get it twisted and stick to the facts.
 

[JDHasty]

Charges filed/charges not filed, Guilty plea or verdict/acquittal, can someone, anyone, please lay out a scenario in which this ever would have ended well? 

I simply cannot get my mind around what could have given anyone the notion that this was going to end well. 

Does that imply that there isn't anyone who thought this through to what the logical conclusion was? 

I keep asking and all I have seen so far can easily be recognized as  fallacious arguments consisting exclusively of reductio ad absurdum or offers to burn down yet another straw man.

Let's hear it:  Walk me through a scenario in which this was going to end well.   

Irrespective of the legal issue that were the focus of the discussion here, local people were already talking to reporters re: the undisputed fact that this bull elk was as tame as a petting zoo mascot. 

And as for damage done to the image of hunters in general, or even "trophy hunters in general, the fact that this act does not and never has had broad based acceptance as acceptable w/in the hunting community who have commented on it will do as much as can be done to put distance between hunters or trophy hunters and the irresponsible act of a few individuals  as ever could be once this became known to the general public.   

[257 Wby Mag]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

remember when Agnew killed the non typical record, flew in and out killed the same day flying??? Blah blah blah..... the list goes on and on...

 A non issue and completely irrelevant to this case, let's not get it twisted and stick to the facts.

Oh....... Ok

[257 Wby Mag]

There is a big difference, it's actually happened here on the west side.  Errors were made, no charges were filed, but then again there wasn't the court of Huntwa to publicly crucify someone and assure their guilt.  I wonder if the charges get dropped off there won't be a civil suit filed against the wdfw and the individuals who granted permission.  I would think some of things posted on this forum would cause parties to settle and not want to go to trial.

remember when Agnew killed the non typical record, flew in and out killed the same day flying??? Blah blah blah..... the list goes on and on...

 A non issue and completely irrelevant to this case, let's not get it twisted and stick to the facts.

Funny how it's the same folks making comments  on aforementioned threads....

[Miles]

Everyone is all worked up over this pet elk that an old man shot.   Old Tod doesn't have too many more hunting seasons left in him and that's just a fact of life.  Let him have his day in court.  The self induced added stress probably isn't doing his body any favors.