How to train WEYCO to raise their fees?

[bobcat]

I've said this before, but the thing is, in the case of the Vail tree farm, before the access permit system began, there was almost no access allowed year around. The only exception was three or four weekends that they would open the gates for modern firearm deer season. That was it!

Oh, and yes, you could walk in, but with the huge amount of area that tree farm takes up, and with no camping allowed, the majority of it was not accessible. So access is actually much improved from what it used to be, and if the price remains at $300, I think it's a good deal for those who can make use of the year around, drive in access.

Not that I see this whole access by permit only being a good thing for hunting overall. It's definitely not. I'm just saying in this case, the Vail tree farm is providing much more opportunity for hunting than it did in the past, even if it is limited to only 800 permit holders.

[pianoman9701]

Whine whine whine.  If you don't want to pay to hunt private land then don't.  Just dont get too high and mighty about "our" hunting heritage.  Mine is doing just fine thanks.

Maybe re-purpose some money from that jacked up Dodge 3500 driving around Tacoma into a access pass, or don't its up to you.  Just don't complain too loudly about pricing hunting out of the means of the people.

Well, as long as you're doing just fine, I guess that's all that matters. 

I don't see any of the 500 or was it 1000 permit holders complaining about their loss of access, their loss of heritage, or their loss of hunting rights. 

It just seems like it's always the same guys complaining about the impending implosion of hunting in Washington because Weyerhauser has the audacity to charge you to use their land.  Where exactly would you hunt if you didn't have someone else's private property to hunt on?

Decreased access to affordable hunting for everyone should be a concern to all hunters whether it directly affects them or not. I hunt public land so it doesn't affect me directly. But I see this as being a burden on lower income folks, especially. They should either allow access or pay the full tax rate on their land, just like other private landowners. I pay the full rate and don't allow hunters access to my property. Of course, I live in the city, so...

[PolarBear]

I've said this before, but the thing is, in the case of the Vail tree farm, before the access permit system began, there was almost no access allowed year around. The only exception was three or four weekends that they would open the gates for modern firearm deer season. That was it!

Oh, and yes, you could walk in, but with the huge amount of area that tree farm takes up, and with no camping allowed, the majority of it was not accessible. So access is actually much improved from what it used to be, and if the price remains at $300, I think it's a good deal for those who can make use of the year around, drive in access.

Not that I see this whole access by permit only being a good thing for hunting overall. It's definitely not. I'm just saying in this case, the Vail tree farm is providing much more opportunity for hunting than it did in the past, even if it is limited to only 800 permit holders.

I had the permit last year and got another this year.  Best $300 I have spent on hunting.  I live 5 minutes away from the main gate and to now have year round access for me and my family is awesome.  The down side is there are a lot of local folks who didn't get a permit who have spent their whole lives/generations hunting in Vail.

[JimmyHoffa]

I've said this before, but the thing is, in the case of the Vail tree farm, before the access permit system began, there was almost no access allowed year around. The only exception was three or four weekends that they would open the gates for modern firearm deer season. That was it!

Oh, and yes, you could walk in, but with the huge amount of area that tree farm takes up, and with no camping allowed, the majority of it was not accessible. So access is actually much improved from what it used to be, and if the price remains at $300, I think it's a good deal for those who can make use of the year around, drive in access.

Not that I see this whole access by permit only being a good thing for hunting overall. It's definitely not. I'm just saying in this case, the Vail tree farm is providing much more opportunity for hunting than it did in the past, even if it is limited to only 800 permit holders.

I had the permit last year and got another this year.  Best $300 I have spent on hunting.  I live 5 minutes away from the main gate and to now have year round access for me and my family is awesome.  The down side is there are a lot of local folks who didn't get a permit who have spent their whole lives/generations hunting in Vail.

Have you noticed any changes in the animals since a few years back when it was a big free for all?

[PolarBear]

I've said this before, but the thing is, in the case of the Vail tree farm, before the access permit system began, there was almost no access allowed year around. The only exception was three or four weekends that they would open the gates for modern firearm deer season. That was it!

Oh, and yes, you could walk in, but with the huge amount of area that tree farm takes up, and with no camping allowed, the majority of it was not accessible. So access is actually much improved from what it used to be, and if the price remains at $300, I think it's a good deal for those who can make use of the year around, drive in access.

Not that I see this whole access by permit only being a good thing for hunting overall. It's definitely not. I'm just saying in this case, the Vail tree farm is providing much more opportunity for hunting than it did in the past, even if it is limited to only 800 permit holders.

I had the permit last year and got another this year.  Best $300 I have spent on hunting.  I live 5 minutes away from the main gate and to now have year round access for me and my family is awesome.  The down side is there are a lot of local folks who didn't get a permit who have spent their whole lives/generations hunting in Vail.

Have you noticed any changes in the animals since a few years back when it was a big free for all?

Yep.  My daughter and I both had multi season deer tags last year so we spent a lot of time looking for the right buck.  The difference between now and when it was a weekend only free for all is night and day.  I had the entire month of December off from work and pent 80% of the month up there.  I would go for 3 or 4 days at a time without seeing another hunter.  Most of the folks that you do come across are just up road hunting and killing spikes at the old usual haunts.  With a little exploration you can find bigger and relatively unmolested bucks.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Whine whine whine.  If you don't want to pay to hunt private land then don't.  Just dont get too high and mighty about "our" hunting heritage.  Mine is doing just fine thanks.

Maybe re-purpose some money from that jacked up Dodge 3500 driving around Tacoma into a access pass, or don't its up to you.  Just don't complain too loudly about pricing hunting out of the means of the people.

Well, as long as you're doing just fine, I guess that's all that matters. 

I don't see any of the 500 or was it 1000 permit holders complaining about their loss of access, their loss of heritage, or their loss of hunting rights. 

It just seems like it's always the same guys complaining about the impending implosion of hunting in Washington because Weyerhauser has the audacity to charge you to use their land.  Where exactly would you hunt if you didn't have someone else's private property to hunt on?

I bought a permit and im complaining.  Just not in the meaningless manner.  My grandfather didn't get to join us ever at vail since the permit.  Now that my boy can hunt he couldn't be there to hunt w him and be part of his first deer.  so yes it has taken away from the heritage and traditions that my family has of hunting together and teaching the sport to the youth.  Pass it on right.  Oh no weyhauser needs 250 k per permit.  I forgot dire straights for them. 

If weyhauser thought about it they are probably hurting the local communities more than the sportsmen.  By taking away the bulk of the small towns revenue for the entire year they will likely effect the local economy negatively and since I live in the community...  That's hurting us more than some wasted tax dollars from weyhauser welching on its deal to let the public access the land.  But since they sell all the timber to china and buy it back for a huge increase they don't care about the local communities.  not after trumps elected.  They'll pay 35% on all the imports , probably exports too.  Trump 2016 make America great again!

[Fl0und3rz]

High fence or high access fees.  What's the difference?

[blackveltbowhunter]

  To me I see the money as less of the division as the quota. Its been stated and I agree in part , that it is a reasonable price to pay for motorized access year round. Add up a family and the return is even better. But because its a quota deal, your option choices are on a 90 second timeline. Not realistic IMO. If the quota wasn't there, you have options. Buy the permit or don't. By capping the number of permits they have created demand. I hunted vail for several years pre permit on foot or bicycle and don't remember a time not seeing multiple good bucks ( 3 point + ) throughout the seasons, so im not sold that the quality is so much better although as has been mentioned motorized access certainly is. I would like to go up and scout some of the old haunts to compare, and almost pulled the trigger last night. But unknown if I would be able to use it to its full potential this year.

  Its strange to me tho the folks ( not necessarily on this forum ), that seem to love the permits and drone on about how they had great hunts, less pressure, saw tons of game etc.... But are the first to cry and moan about restricted motorized access to public land. Its laughable. The effect is the same, limiting hunter competition. They are willing to restrict other hunters with their pocketbook, but when an area is less accessible to them due to physical limitation the guns come out. I guess I don't understand the thought process.

[hoof rot]

f@#k weyco, they ruined lots of hunting area for the public and poison our wildlife and the state does nothing, i'm sellin out this winter in grays harbor county and investing in okanogan county

[JimmyHoffa]

Of course like everything else here, its just too many people trying to do the something at the same time.

Isn't that ever the truth.  Same supply, more demand.  Why prices will go up until the public land crowds/harvests/predators/price points converge to make WDFW go permit only for hunting.

[Blcktaildreamer]

"I bought a permit and im complaining.  Just not in the meaningless manner.  My grandfather didn't get to join us ever at vail since the permit.  Now that my boy can hunt he couldn't be there to hunt w him and be part of his first deer.  so yes it has taken away from the heritage and traditions that my family has of hunting together and teaching the sport to the youth.  Pass it on right.  Oh no weyhauser needs 250 k per permit.  I forgot dire straights for them. 

If weyhauser thought about it they are probably hurting the local communities more than the sportsmen.  By taking away the bulk of the small towns revenue for the entire year they will likely effect the local economy negatively and since I live in the community...  That's hurting us more than some wasted tax dollars from weyhauser welching on its deal to let the public access the land.  But since they sell all the timber to china and buy it back for a huge increase they don't care about the local communities.  not after trumps elected.  They'll pay 35% on all the imports , probably exports too.  Trump 2016 make America great again!

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Simple answer, why not take grand dad, grandson, and yourself to a place you all can hunt?  Why buy a permit on land that your family can't access if hunting with your family is that important to you?   

Which small towns lost all of their revenue from people not hunting Weyerhauser property?  How did they lose the money? 
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My thoughts exactly. I had a similar thing my kid brother and dad didn't have a permit, but I wanted to be a part of his first hunt. Easy fix I hunted with them on public land.


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[hoof rot]

the small town of brooklyn has def been affected by weyco permits the tavern is probably gonna close 

[chester]

the small town of brooklyn has def been affected by weyco permits the tavern is probably gonna close 

I wouldn't say it's all on Weyco . It took a turn after Ray passed.


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[Blcktaildreamer]

the small town of brooklyn has def been affected by weyco permits the tavern is probably gonna close 

I wouldn't say it's all on Weyco . It took a turn after Ray passed.


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I was just going to say this it was headed down as soon as ray passed. I don't like hangin around all the dead beats smokin weed in there now.


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[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

"I bought a permit and im complaining.  Just not in the meaningless manner.  My grandfather didn't get to join us ever at vail since the permit.  Now that my boy can hunt he couldn't be there to hunt w him and be part of his first deer.  so yes it has taken away from the heritage and traditions that my family has of hunting together and teaching the sport to the youth.  Pass it on right.  Oh no weyhauser needs 250 k per permit.  I forgot dire straights for them. 

If weyhauser thought about it they are probably hurting the local communities more than the sportsmen.  By taking away the bulk of the small towns revenue for the entire year they will likely effect the local economy negatively and since I live in the community...  That's hurting us more than some wasted tax dollars from weyhauser welching on its deal to let the public access the land.  But since they sell all the timber to china and buy it back for a huge increase they don't care about the local communities.  not after trumps elected.  They'll pay 35% on all the imports , probably exports too.  Trump 2016 make America great again!

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Simple answer, why not take grand dad, grandson, and yourself to a place you all can hunt?  Why buy a permit on land that your family can't access if hunting with your family is that important to you?   

Which small towns lost all of their revenue from people not hunting Weyerhauser property?  How did they lose the money? 
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Most all small towns took a hit with these permits.  Town was packed with hunters spending money before the permit.  Now towns get none of the revenue that the hunting season provided.  Most of these towns depended on the hunting every year cause business picked up during those months.  Sporting good stores will take a hit too.  Hotels and motels, gas stations, food stores and lets not forget all the ones who don't buy the tags anymore. 

Simple answer is there is very little public land left that hold deer locally.  Its all gated off and pay to play.  My grandfather and his sons taught me to hunt that land and I have taught my son and just see the whole money grab as a spit in the face of the folks who been paying for those roads for decades now.  I was just explaining how the loss of my hunting tradition stems from exactly the permit.  Call it what you want its greedy and a stab in the back to the people, communities and rural towns these tree farms are located.