Wolves, a good thing?

[Curly]

Wolves in WA State are not a good thing.

Maybe it could be argued that wolf numbers that existed here in the early 90's could be okay for the state, but the numbers we have now.........there is no way you can make the case that it is a good thing.

[huntnphool]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

[idahohuntr]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

[andrew_in_idaho]

Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides. 

The loudest voices in the room on wolf topics screech over each other - one clamoring that wolves are an evil force that will kill you, your children, all the ungulates in the state and by god if we don't open season tomorrow there will be no hunting in 2 years.  This screeching is supported by nut jobs and tinfoil hat theories that require you to stop all logical thought process and reasoning.  The other side screeches that man has no place on earth, the wolves are cuddly and would never intentionally harm another critter, and really we can just all get along but if we can't then humans should suffer because it would be a tragedy to every intentionally harm a wolf.

As usual in controversial topics the extremists on both sides are very wrong, and the truth rests somewhere in the middle.  Wolves can, and need to be managed, ungulate populations are not static and change for many intertwined and complex reasons, including predation effects.  Wolves will never be the end of hunting...in fact a far cry from the real dangers to hunting as we know it in the west - loss of public land access/ownership and habitat.

Preach it. It's funny how the sentiments we hear on wolves now in Washington are the same that were coming out of Idaho back around the time I moved here. A little management goes a long way and now you hardly hear anybody but the most die hard, anti wolf idahoans ever even bring up the wolves. The fact is they are here but with proper management of all species comes balance and I hope you guys can achieve that once again in Washington.


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[mfswallace]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

[idahohuntr]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

Where has hunting ended as a result of wolves?

[MountainWalk]

Well, I can tell you that wolves were THE factor in MT when the made unit 250 draw only and not a general.

[mfswallace]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

Where has hunting ended as a result of wolves?

There have been a number of closures for cow hunting throughout Idaho over the last 5 years... St Joe's, Lolo...
Moose hunting has been suspended in areas of Minnesota and Alaska in the last 5 years at different times....

Slowly but surely it has been happening

[huntnphool]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

Where has hunting ended as a result of wolves?

There have been a number of closures for cow hunting throughout Idaho over the last 5 years... St Joe's, Lolo...
Moose hunting has been suspended in areas of Minnesota and Alaska in the last 5 years at different times....

Slowly but surely it has been happening

 Ah, but that's the genius behind his liberal assertion. Hunting has not "ended" per se, even though wolves have clearly been the determining factor behind quota and season declines.

 There will always be "hunting", which will allow liberals like Idahohunter to claim "theoretical" victory. However, the rest of us know the truth of the matter, wolves have and will continue to have a huge impact on ungulate numbers and the corelating hunting seasons.

[andrew_in_idaho]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

Where has hunting ended as a result of wolves?

There have been a number of closures for cow hunting throughout Idaho over the last 5 years... St Joe's, Lolo...
Moose hunting has been suspended in areas of Minnesota and Alaska in the last 5 years at different times....

Slowly but surely it has been happening

Yea because st. Joes and lolo herd declines had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the forests have been overgrown now for 2 decades. Old growth timber is not real great elk habitat


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[KFhunter]

The old growth forests suddenly sprouted up in 5 years and killed the elk, that's rich.

[Skyvalhunter]

That had to be it

[idahohuntr]

Wolves will never be the end of hunting...

 That is a left wing political twist Idaho!

 Does our $850,000, Houston resident, wolf consultant Francine Madden teach you these things in those closed door meetings?

No, I learnt that all on my own.

 Likely just be a inherit liberal trait then.

And you've thoroughly supported my opening line in this thread: "Wolves and wolf management are largely symbolic of broader social and political issues in the rural west- which is why there is so much misinformation on both sides."

That misinformation could be the falsehood that wolves will end hunting or the falsehood that wolves have no effect on ungulate populations.  One side will denigrate the liberal leftist wolf huggers, and one side will denigrate the right wing extremists.  The screeching will continue, I'm quite certain of that 

Keep spreading the misinformation! Wolves have already ended or severely limited hunting in different regions/areas which you absolutely can't deny as fact!

Where has hunting ended as a result of wolves?

There have been a number of closures for cow hunting throughout Idaho over the last 5 years... St Joe's, Lolo...
Moose hunting has been suspended in areas of Minnesota and Alaska in the last 5 years at different times....

Slowly but surely it has been happening

 Ah, but that's the genius behind his liberal assertion. Hunting has not "ended" per se, even though wolves have clearly been the determining factor behind quota and season declines.

 There will always be "hunting", which will allow liberals like Idahohunter to claim "theoretical" victory. However, the rest of us know the truth of the matter, wolves have and will continue to have a huge impact on ungulate numbers and the corelating hunting seasons.

I'm not a liberal and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that wolves will not end hunting and that many factors influence game populations.  Often wolves get all the blame for any decrease and the impacts they do have are frequently exxaggerated...it's pure political bs.  It's why you're resorting to name calling without discussing any factual information...you are behaving no differently than the bunny huggers who are frightened of fact based discussion and prefer to play to peoples emotions.

Predation AND habitat issues have contributed significantly to Lolo herd declines.  However, you can still buy otc any bull tags for a month long season.  So statements that hunting has ended are absurd, even if harvest is much lower than historic highs and you are limited to bulls only.  It's not just a 'theoretical' hunt ...certainly not for all the hunters who killed a bull in that zone last year.

[trophyhunt]

Only my second post on this thread, won't be back, stupid thing thinking wolves are good.  Bottom line is, they are not good for elk.  Imagine how good the elk hunting would be without wolves in Idaho, the question should be, ''Do we need wolves to improve elk hunting", easy and mindless answer, NO. Have wolves improved or worsen elk hunting in Idaho or any other state? EASY answer, NO.   

[mfswallace]

Round and a round we go, where we stop hunting no more

IDFG has said in press releases wolf predation was determining factors in closures before.... same with Minnesota and Alaska  but by all means keep denying facts and fall back on that habit loss argument