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tribes "closing" skok
« on: June 02, 2016, 08:02:05 AM »
exercising boundaries to shut down skok looks like downstream from 101 this year. This could get interesting :bash:
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 08:41:55 AM »
I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2016, 08:49:56 AM »
I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/outdoors/tribe-blocks-salmon-fishing-on-skokomish-river-343d4919-4c41-4369-e053-0100007fb9f0-381592681.html

this is a can of worms, hoh? quil? solduc? hump? where will this end?
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2016, 09:22:26 AM »
Cant fish Lake Quinalt any more either.  Rick
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2016, 09:34:36 AM »
What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2016, 07:14:25 AM »
The state should shut down the hatchery if they don't want to share the fish. They will net it until the fish are gone.

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 07:31:01 AM »
What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?
Tacoma power just built two new ones for them as part of an agreement to keep the dams running.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 08:02:27 AM »
What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?
Tacoma power just built two new ones for them as part of an agreement to keep the dams running.


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Right, which my understanding is those will be tribal hatcheries

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2016, 08:10:59 AM »
Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 08:32:25 AM »
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 08:55:40 AM »
Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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The state doesn't run all the hatcheries so that would only work in certain runs/rivers/tributaries.  Those that operate their own wouldn't be affected.
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 08:56:39 AM »
Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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The state doesn't run all the hatcheries so that would only work in certain runs/rivers/tributaries.  Those that operate their own wouldn't be affected.
You are correct, we are talking about the skok specifically.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 09:17:55 AM »
Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2016, 09:21:11 AM »
I believe it's bordered by the river . Other side is private parcels and state ground. If I understood it how it was written they are claiming the water too.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2016, 09:26:52 AM »
I recall the Yakamas had a similar claim to the Yakima River within their reservation boundaries claiming the rights to the high water mark on the other side of the river. The WDFW and the Yakamas worked something out not sure what arguments were used by both sides to resolve it but I believe it was resolved in a way that both sides were happy.

 


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