Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[JDHasty]

The poll has been right at 2:1 against changing the restriction since very early on.  It doesn't appear that anyone is changing opinions based on arguments made here. 

[bobcat]

The poll has been right at 2:1 against changing the restriction since very early on.  It doesn't appear that anyone is changing opinions based on arguments made here.

But the poll doesn't allow people to change their vote. One person even commented that after reading the arguments for changing it, he wanted to change his vote, but was unable to.

I think Wyoming had the same type of arguments against allowing the 223 caliber when they changed their law a few years ago.

[Lefthook]

The poll has been right at 2:1 against changing the restriction since very early on.  It doesn't appear that anyone is changing opinions based on arguments made here.

But the poll doesn't allow people to change their vote. One person even commented that after reading the arguments for changing it, he wanted to change his vote, but was unable to.

I think Wyoming had the same type of arguments against allowing the 223 caliber when they changed their law a few years ago.

After the 9mm handgun legal comment and an old, first hand memory of my cousin dropping an elk in Montana with a .22-250 I would like to change my poll answer to allow .22 centerfire.

The elk was hit at the base of the skull with a .22-250 and dropped, not one step, no kicking and fighting, just plain dead. This was a shot taken by a guy that spent huge amounts of time popping groundhogs all day long. It was a very high percentage shot for him, ethical and legal kill in Montana.

[Bill W]

The poll has been right at 2:1 against changing the restriction since very early on.  It doesn't appear that anyone is changing opinions based on arguments made here.

But the poll doesn't allow people to change their vote. One person even commented that after reading the arguments for changing it, he wanted to change his vote, but was unable to.

I think Wyoming had the same type of arguments against allowing the 223 caliber when they changed their law a few years ago.

I believe the person who commented on reading the arguments that he wanted to vote again.  He wanted to vote another no.   The subtlety of the post was lost on the OP.

[bobcat]

Here's an antelope that was quite impressed with a 223 caliber bullet:

[JimmyHoffa]

The 9mm legality makes sense if it allows someone to dispatch game with a handgun.  But then why don't they simply allow use of knives or handguns as a legal means of dispatching game?

One issue with the dispatch argument is the barrel length requirement.  I think a snub nosed .357 mag or .44 special would dispatch an animal at two yards just fine, much better than a .25 acp with a 4 inch barrel.

[Bob33]

I'm pretty sure the reason 22 rimfires aren't allowed is it's considered to be not powerful enough to consistently kill quickly and humanely. Pretty simple. Now why the 22-250 is not legal, I have no clue. Especially when you can legally hunt deer, bear, and elk with a 9mm Glock!   

Changing the minimum to .22 centerfire legalizes every .22, not just the 22-250. It includes very weak cartridges such as the 22 WCF which has maybe 250 ft lbs of energy.

If people can be trusted to use good judgment, 22 rimfires can be very effective as well.

That was just an example. The 22-250 isn't even questionable, in my mind, and my 22 WSSM is the pretty much the same. A rule could be written in such a way that would make the standard 223 Remington illegal but the 22-250 and 223 WSSM legal. It wouldn't necessarily have to be just a 22 centerfire minimum.

Who gets to decide which .22 calibers are "good enough"? What is the standard? If a 22-250 is good enough, why isn't a 222 Remington, or a 218 Bee, or a 22 Hornet, or all the wildcats that have more energy than a 22-250? What happens when a new .22 caliber centerfire is introduced with even more energy?

There will be more debates about why a caliber is in or out than the College Football Playoffs.

[Lefthook]

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[BULLBLASTER]

Since the rule says 6mm rifle and doesn't reference the actual bullet. Would an accelerator sabot be legal? 

[BULLBLASTER]

Oh and I like how it says they don't want a sliding scale but that is exactly what they have with the cougar rules.... how is a 100+ lb cougar any different than a 100+ lb deer that a 22 cf will work on a cougar but not on a deer of equal mass? 

[bobcat]

"Lack of knockdown power"

That's funny, makes the WDFW sound like amateurs. 

[jay.sharkbait]

Since the rule says 6mm rifle and doesn't reference the actual bullet. Would an accelerator sabot be legal? 

It looks that way

[bobcat]

I'm pretty sure the reason 22 rimfires aren't allowed is it's considered to be not powerful enough to consistently kill quickly and humanely. Pretty simple. Now why the 22-250 is not legal, I have no clue. Especially when you can legally hunt deer, bear, and elk with a 9mm Glock!   

Changing the minimum to .22 centerfire legalizes every .22, not just the 22-250. It includes very weak cartridges such as the 22 WCF which has maybe 250 ft lbs of energy.

If people can be trusted to use good judgment, 22 rimfires can be very effective as well.

That was just an example. The 22-250 isn't even questionable, in my mind, and my 22 WSSM is the pretty much the same. A rule could be written in such a way that would make the standard 223 Remington illegal but the 22-250 and 223 WSSM legal. It wouldn't necessarily have to be just a 22 centerfire minimum.

Who gets to decide which .22 calibers are "good enough"? What is the standard? If a 22-250 is good enough, why isn't a 222 Remington, or a 218 Bee, or a 22 Hornet, or all the wildcats that have more energy than a 22-250? What happens when a new .22 caliber centerfire is introduced with even more energy?

There will be more debates about why a caliber is in or out than the College Football Playoffs.

Do like Wyoming and have a minimum bullet weight, or pick a random amount of energy required at the muzzle, or simply name the specific cartridges that are legal. Writing a rule to allow some 223 caliber cartridges to be used doesn't seem like rocket science.

[hunter399]

I would like to see 223 22-250 just added as exception just like cougar,keep the 24 caliber rule with the this exception of these two calibers which are good deer calibers in other states.And just make a ban on fmj,for all calibers to prevent wounded deer run offs.

[Bob33]

I would like to see 223 22-250 just added as exception just like cougar,keep the 24 caliber rule with the this exception of these two calibers which are good deer calibers in other states.And just make a ban on fmj,for all calibers to prevent wounded deer run offs.

"...just like cougar" means all .22 centerfire calibers are legal.

I'm not aware of any state that has specific caliber restrictions or allowances within a caliber measurement such as .22 or .24.