wa attorney gen bob ferguson wants to ban assault weapons

[predatorpro]

Good thing ar 15s arent assualt weapons.....

[Bean Counter]

I'm struggling to understand just what exactly an "Assault Rifle" is, that so many have referenced here.  I own several long guns including some with high-cap mags and absolutely none of them have assaulted anyone.  If the term "assault rifle" is being thrown around as a label, are my muzzle loaders in that category due to the number of animals having taken a dirt nap after the loud bang?  As all of you know, 'AR' was first used by the manufacturer 'Armalite Rifle Co', but seems to have changed through the media as 'Assault Rifle'.  Again, zero of my firearms have assaulted any human and would suggest these actions are conducted by criminal minded folk with nothing to lose.  So having said that, is it reasonable to assume that the 'Peoples Republic of Washington' will be attempting to outlaw my Remington 700, and others like it?  If they were used to kill people I would think they would be labeled as an "Assault Rifle" too.  Assault - (verb) Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact; to make a physical attack upon another.  I shake my head and wonder when does common sense prevail?

If I am correct, and I usually am, the Sturmgewehr 44 was the first "Assault Rifle." Sturmgewehr translates to "storm rifle" or "assault rifle." IIRC It was basically a neologism to distinguish it from the "battle rifles," "sniper rifles" etc of the day. Britannica defines it as a combat rifle medium of medium stature and caliber with selective fire modes. I'm pretty sure "safe" doesn't count as one. So it would need to have "Semi" and either "auto" or three round burst  to actually classify as an assault rifle. But don't tell that to our enemies on the Left. They don't actually want to face an informed electorate. 

[quarterstaff]

Seems to me we have an Attorney General problem among others maybe we should concentrate on getting rid of him and then working on the rest.

[saylean]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/ag-bob-ferguson-unveils-assault-weapons-ban-and-a-backup-plan/

A little update on this..

[EmeraldBullet]

If I read that correctly my Sig m716 would still be legal under his legislation as long is I don't put a pistol grip on it?

[Sumpnneedskillin]

Don't forget one of the bills requires a license for your scary gun and hi cap mags. 

Requires you to have accredited safety training every 3 years.

Pay $50 for a license.

Update your license ASAP if you destroy or loose a mag.

Can't use your scary gun for protection because it has to be locked up at all times.  By definition you can only use it for hunting and at the range.

You have to be 21 to own a scary gun or hi cap mag.  No provision for people who are under 21 and currently legally own one.

A pistol with a threaded barrel and detachable mag is considered a scary weapon. 

I could go on and on about what's wrong with these.

[EmeraldBullet]

Yeah I wasn't advocating his policy, rather I was pointing out how it doesn't even achieve what the attorney general himself wants it to. In no way should it ever be enacted into law.

[pianoman9701]

I have doubts it will make any difference, but here goes the email I sent to AG Ferguson:

"RE: So-Called Assault Weapons Ban

Dear AG Ferguson,

This bill will have little positive effect on the safety of WA citizens (and I think you probably know that), yet your department and county prosecutors in King and Pierce Co.s refuse to arrest and convict a majority of felons who attempt to purchase firearms through the background check system. Known criminals are attempting to purchase firearms and are not being jailed for it. If they've tried through legal channels, we know they'll seek to get them otherwise. You focus on a ban which will not likely save a single life in our state. Your motivation for this can be anyone's guess. But, refusing to pursue serious violations of existing firearms laws makes your office and the county prosecutors criminally negligent. Not to mention, that your effort to restrict law-abiding citizens with further gun control regulations when you won't enforce existing laws indicates only one thing: you seek only to restrict and disarm our citizens.

I would support a bill to strengthen existing laws with stiffer sentences and new laws which make conviction for real gun crimes hurt the criminals. These could have an actual positive impact on gun deaths in our state. However, I can not support a grandstanding effort which ignores the safety and the rights of the people and rights you're sworn to protect.

Look at Chicago and the result that gun control has had on gun violence - none. In fact, it has encouraged criminals to become bolder and commit more gun violence. You have the opportunity do something which will actually make a difference in public safety for good Washingtonians, Counselor. Abandon this effort and move for stricter penalties for gun crimes and pursue criminals who attempt to buy guns.

I look forward to the courtesy of your thoughtful reply.
Most Sincerely,
PMan
Vancouver

[lamrith]

I have not had a chance to review the submitted bills myself yet, but I just saw this summary on another forum. 

IF it is accurate this is one severe and ridiculous set of legislation.

This is FAR MORE than just an AWB proposal.
So let's boil this down. So far I see:

- AW registration, including make, model, serial number
- Magazine registration, including make and rounds capacity
- Annual licensing scheme and associated fees
- Any purchase or sale of registered AW/magazine must be documented and triggers a license renewal requirement
- Required to document and prove need to own
- Required to document and explain intended "lawful use"
- Defined list of state-approved "lawful uses" for a so-called AW
- Safe storage requirements for all AWs
- Required to document and explain in-home AW safe storage methods
- Safe transport requirements enforced on all AWs requiring them to be secured unloaded in a locked container at all times
- No more formerly legal so-called AWs (e.g. AK or AR pistols) allowed as CC
- No more open carry of so-called AWs

And the so-called AW definition is so loose that it includes my 50 year-old Marlin 60 and Remington Nylon 66

Did I miss anything?

And any one of these is a felony violation?

The real concern is if it gets crushed in committee then they will do the usual deceptive signature collection campaign to get an initiative on the ballot and then flat out lie in advertising to get it passed by sheeple in Seattle...

[Blacktail Sniper]

I have not had a chance to review the submitted bills myself yet, but I just saw this summary on another forum. 

IF it is accurate this is one severe and ridiculous set of legislation.

This is FAR MORE than just an AWB proposal.
So let's boil this down. So far I see:

- AW registration, including make, model, serial number
- Magazine registration, including make and rounds capacity
- Annual licensing scheme and associated fees
- Any purchase or sale of registered AW/magazine must be documented and triggers a license renewal requirement
- Required to document and prove need to own
- Required to document and explain intended "lawful use"
- Defined list of state-approved "lawful uses" for a so-called AW
- Safe storage requirements for all AWs
- Required to document and explain in-home AW safe storage methods
- Safe transport requirements enforced on all AWs requiring them to be secured unloaded in a locked container at all times
- No more formerly legal so-called AWs (e.g. AK or AR pistols) allowed as CC
- No more open carry of so-called AWs

And the so-called AW definition is so loose that it includes my 50 year-old Marlin 60 and Remington Nylon 66

Did I miss anything?

And any one of these is a felony violation?

The real concern is if it gets crushed in committee then they will do the usual deceptive signature collection campaign to get an initiative on the ballot and then flat out lie in advertising to get it passed by sheeple in Seattle...

You can bank on it! It will only be a matter of time before they get tired of being swatted down...

[JimmyHoffa]

Was thinking of that possibility too, but maybe the lefties won't be so eager to ban while T-Rump is in office.  They seem to truly believe he's Hitler 2.0 and will start up concentration camps for illegals, muslims, blacks, etc.  Would they be so willing to relinquish that much to the government with their current fears?  You'd think they would be driving a gun buying surge to defend the sanctuary cities.  Had Hillary won, it would be easier to see how they'd favor a ban while not having a government perceived to be hostile to them.

[EmeraldBullet]

@piano, great letter, thank you for addressing my concerns as well. It was also well written. I will send one as well in the coming days. I really like how you hammer in the point that making further gun restrive laws without even enforcing the most basic gun laws we have will only cause problems, not make anything better.

Jimmyhoffa, you make some really good points. At the very least the money financing such initiatives should be diverted to other liberal causes than taking away our gun rights in Wa. I really hope Trump makes good on his promises for appointing SC justices, he made that a clear point of difference between him and Hillary during the election.

I will say this though, the law is the law, I do what I do. Two separate things. I like it when they run in unison, but make my guns illegal and you will be making me a criminal. Not gonna give up my rights just because some politician signs some piece of paper. I believe in inherent rights.

[wolfbait]

E-mailed to me today:


I sent the following email to all Senators and Representatives who signed on to either S. 5050 or H.R. 1134 on January 15, 2017
 
Representatives:  strom.peterson@leg.wa.gov; joan.mcbride@leg.wa.gov; mia.gregerson@leg.wa.gov; lillian.ortiz-self@leg.wa.gov; cindy.ryu@leg.wa.gov; steve.bergquist@leg.wa.gov; jake.fey@leg.wa.gov; gerry.pollett@leg.wa.gov; gael.tarleton@leg.wa.gov; sharontomiko.santos@leg.wa.gov; jessyn.farrell@leg.wa.gov; beth.doglio@leg.wa.gov; noel.frame@leg.wa.gov; nicole.macri@leg.wa.gov
 
Senators:  David.Frockt@leg.wa.gov; kevin.ranker@leg.wa.gov; marko.liias@leg.wa.gov; Jeannie.Darneille@leg.wa.gov; maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov; Annette.Cleveland@leg.wa.gov; patty.kuderer@leg.wa.gov; rebecca.saldana@leg.wa.gov; lisa.wellman@leg.wa.gov
 
Email Sent to the Sponsors listed above:
 
Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
I respectfully request a response from each of you to the following questions:
 
1.  How will this bill stop one criminal, bent on getting his hands on a gun, from doing so?
2.  How will this bill stop one individual, bent on harming another with a gun, from stealing one or buying one on the black market?
3.  What provision is included in this bill to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens in this state?
4.  Did you actually read this bill, word for word, before signing on to it?
 
Sincerely,
Lynn M Finney
 
Today is January 18, 2017.  Not one of the Senators or Representatives this email was sent to have responded.
 
Does that surprise anyone?  Quite obviously, not one of these Senators or Representatives can honestly answer the questions asked without exposing their anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment stand.
 
But beyond that, these two sister bills show just how ignorant those who signed on, as sponsors, are.  Were such not the case, when they read the bill, before deciding to sign on, they would have caught the following err:
 
S 5050:
 
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H.R. 1134
 
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You will find "muzzle brake" misspelled throughout these two sister bills … copies, of which, are attached.  Note that these bills were introduced at the request of Attorney General Bob Ferguson who is apparently as ignorant about guns as are the Senators and Representatives who signed on as sponsors.
 
Lynn

[Blacktail Sniper]

 

No doubt!! Because if they respond, which by email would be in writing, there would be no way to backpeddle or deny at a later date...

Hard to pass off the, "I have no recollection of that" excuse when it is in black & white from their email address.

[ghosthunter]

None of these laws o bans with do anything except penalize the honest guy.

If they want to really go after gun violence they need to address........

Mental health
Gangs
Domestic Terrorism.

One or more of these can be found in almost any mass shooting.