Should Quality Buck & Bull tags go OIL?

[huntnnw]

UT also starts their draw with OiL tags and moves down the list. If you draw a tag you cannot draw anything else that year. Tired of hearing about guys drawing multiple tags in same year. Should be happy to pull 1

[Timberstalker]

I don't see why.  Even if it takes 10-15 years, that's still 4-5 quality hunts for EACH category in a lifetime minimum.  That's 8-10 quality hunts across the board.  That doesn't include OTC or out of state.  That makes for a pretty solid hunting career!  Pretty cool!   

@trophyhunt - what do you think of this theory?

[ctwiggs1]

Just drew the Entiat at age 60.  Pretty sure its OIL !

exactly! I have a buddy that has put in for quality deer since points started, he is 69 and hasn't drawn! Well I havnt drawn for that matter either! Its pretty much OIL!

Some definitely seem to have better luck than others

[bobcat]

I drew quality deer permits in 2004, 2008, and 2012. So the odds certainly are not so low that a person can only expect to draw once in their lifetime. It's mostly a matter of applying for the least popular permits if you want to draw. If you're fine with hunting only the general seasons every year then continue applying for the most popular permits and continue not drawing and complaining about the system.

[huntnnw]

That's what I find funny is people complaining they haven't drawn crap and yet they are applying for tags like entiat rifle , rifle bull tags etc

[Bushcraft]

I voted no.  That said, I think they should tweak the special permit draw system to increase the odds for people that habitually put in for one particular area.  Take a guy who REALLY wants to hunt a particular GMU and has religiously been putting in for 15-20 years and hoping and praying he'll one day get drawn.  He's put in his dues over the years scouting it and knows the area like the back of his hand.  I think he should get a better crack at it than some knucklehead with the same points who throws a dart at the game regs every year and randomly chooses where he'd like to hunt.

[ctwiggs1]

I voted no.  That said, I think they should tweak the special permit draw system to increase the odds for people that habitually put in for one particular area.  Take a guy who REALLY wants to hunt a particular GMU and has religiously been putting in for 15-20 years and hoping and praying he'll one day get drawn.  He's put in his dues over the years scouting it and knows the area like the back of his hand.  I think he should get a better crack at it than some knucklehead with the same points who throws a dart at the game regs every year and randomly chooses where he'd like to hunt.

Like 10% of the tags go to the top 10% of point holders?  Other states do that for OILs don't they?

[Snakeriver10]

I'm not sure the points really mean anything anyways. Lots of tags truly are once in life time draws.  I think some guys have simply figured out how to play the game and are more successful at drawing because of things they have picked up that helps them draw.  I think x amount of tags should go to residents who live in the county.  I also think past success helps you draw.  I don't enjoy hearing my Dad put in for a bull tag in the blues in our backyard for thirty years and unable to draw.  I've switched to muzzle loader to be able to draw better. 

[Stein]

The very best way would be to make it so you can only draw for one special permit.  You would have to choose a specific species in a specific category.  WDFW will never do it because of the lost revenue, but it would definitely fix the problem

Just make the application fee match the amount the average hunter spends on applications every year, or even a tiered system like we have now where doe tag applications are $20 and OILs are $100.  This would help significantly.  I drew three tags this year which is awesome for me, but completely ridiculous in the current system.

There just isn't any way to increase odds without decreasing the number of people applying for a given tag.

[jackelope]

Hell No!!!

I voted no, only because there wasn't a "Hell No" option.

[jackelope]

I would strongly support us being able to apply for deer or elk, and not both, yearly and only one OIL choice per year.
 

[fishngamereaper]

I would strongly support us being able to apply for deer or elk, and not both, yearly and only one OIL choice per year.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I voted no.  That said, I think they should tweak the special permit draw system to increase the odds for people that habitually put in for one particular area.  Take a guy who REALLY wants to hunt a particular GMU and has religiously been putting in for 15-20 years and hoping and praying he'll one day get drawn.  He's put in his dues over the years scouting it and knows the area like the back of his hand.  I think he should get a better crack at it than some knucklehead with the same points who throws a dart at the game regs every year and randomly chooses where he'd like to hunt.

You should jump over to the Chiwawa thread, you'll get flamed for such ideals lol. 

[Ridgerunner]

I'd like to see what they do in Utah, maybe 25% of the tags to the top percentage tag holders, then draw in order so that a person may only draw one premium tag in a year. 

[ctwiggs1]

I would strongly support us being able to apply for deer or elk, and not both, yearly and only one OIL choice per year.

I wouldn't.  You could go a lifetime and not draw a single OIL tag. Having to choose almost eliminates you from drawing all 3 in your lifetime in WA.