Should Quality Buck & Bull tags go OIL?

[fishngamereaper]

If I could swear on this site I'd say F no to this question!  5 year waiting period sounds great.

 I agree with the f-no, but what good would a 5 year wait do? For a unit with 10 tags available, it would decrease the pool by 50 applicants. Will people seriously feel better about this system if 50 less applicants were reduced from a pool that on average has 1500?

 For units with 1 tag, will reducing the applicants by 5 really make you feel better about your odds?

 IMO, we need a system that dumps the points!

If we dumped points do they hold a value. Are they our points or the states.  Just curious. Cost of playing the game or should we get reimbursed.

[idahohuntr]

If I could swear on this site I'd say F no to this question!  5 year waiting period sounds great.

 I agree with the f-no, but what good would a 5 year wait do? For a unit with 10 tags available, it would decrease the pool by 50 applicants. Will people seriously feel better about this system if 50 less applicants were reduced from a pool that on average has 1500?

 For units with 1 tag, will reducing the applicants by 5 really make you feel better about your odds?

 IMO, we need a system that dumps the points!

If we dumped points do they hold a value. Are they our points or the states.  Just curious. Cost of playing the game or should we get reimbursed.

My view...points are not real property.  If the state decides to change how limited resources are allocated to the public, that is within their authority...so no, I would think there would be no reimbursement required to comply with any law.  Legal issues aside, I still don't think we should get reimbursed.  I "use" my points every year to increase my odds of drawing...so far it hasn't worked out!     But, I have like 81x the chance of drawing a quality elk tag than the guy who put in for the first time this year.

[trophyhunt]

If I could swear on this site I'd say F no to this question!  5 year waiting period sounds great.

 I agree with the f-no, but what good would a 5 year wait do? For a unit with 10 tags available, it would decrease the pool by 50 applicants. Will people seriously feel better about this system if 50 less applicants were reduced from a pool that on average has 1500?

 For units with 1 tag, will reducing the applicants by 5 really make you feel better about your odds?

 IMO, we need a system that dumps the points!

i agree w dumping the point system, no more points given, when you draw your done w points.  50 less applicants in the tag I go for would cut the number of applicants in half, potentially.  But I realize that doesn't mean my odds go up by half.  There are a few good ideas that have been thrown out there, no more points, a wait period, only one choice for quality, pick either deer/elk to apply for OR OIL permits not both and purchase Oil tags to apply.  It certainly would be nice to see wdfw do something to improve odds, these examples would not stop the money flow that we know they care about more than odds.

[Stein]

That's the reason the system would be near impossible to change.  People feel they have made an investment (which they have) and are more concerned with protecting that investment then moving to a new system that would likely serve them better.  There is more emphasis on the sunk costs than looking forward.

You either need to be happy with the current system or be willing to give up something to get something better.

[Bob33]

If I could swear on this site I'd say F no to this question!  5 year waiting period sounds great.

 I agree with the f-no, but what good would a 5 year wait do? For a unit with 10 tags available, it would decrease the pool by 50 applicants. Will people seriously feel better about this system if 50 less applicants were reduced from a pool that on average has 1500?

 For units with 1 tag, will reducing the applicants by 5 really make you feel better about your odds?

 IMO, we need a system that dumps the points!

If we dumped points do they hold a value. Are they our points or the states.  Just curious. Cost of playing the game or should we get reimbursed.

My view...points are not real property.  If the state decides to change how limited resources are allocated to the public, that is within their authority...so no, I would think there would be no reimbursement required to comply with any law.  Legal issues aside, I still don't think we should get reimbursed.  I "use" my points every year to increase my odds of drawing...so far it hasn't worked out!     But, I have like 81x the chance of drawing a quality elk tag than the guy who put in for the first time this year.

WDFW advertises that "Building special permit points gives applicants a better chance in the random drawings." For that service, they charge a fee.

Taking away points eliminates the benefit accrued by those who paid the fee over a series of years.

I believe that legal actions would ensue.

[huntnphool]

If I could swear on this site I'd say F no to this question!  5 year waiting period sounds great.

 I agree with the f-no, but what good would a 5 year wait do? For a unit with 10 tags available, it would decrease the pool by 50 applicants. Will people seriously feel better about this system if 50 less applicants were reduced from a pool that on average has 1500?

 For units with 1 tag, will reducing the applicants by 5 really make you feel better about your odds?

 IMO, we need a system that dumps the points!

If we dumped points do they hold a value. Are they our points or the states.  Just curious. Cost of playing the game or should we get reimbursed.

That's the reason the system would be near impossible to change.  People feel they have made an investment (which they have) and are more concerned with protecting that investment then moving to a new system that would likely serve them better.  There is more emphasis on the sunk costs than looking forward.

You either need to be happy with the current system or be willing to give up something to get something better.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,214387.msg2854669.html#msg2854669

[bobcat]

If it were up to me the categories would be drastically reduced, pretty much back to the way it was prior to the big "improvement" they did in 2010. Let's go back to an ELK category and a DEER category. What's the purpose of separate antlerless categories and buck/bull? Mostly it was only done as a way to sell more applications.

If the antlerless elk permits were combined with the "quality elk" and the "bull elk" those who mostly hunt for meat would have better odds of drawing the antlerless permits, and those who hunt for antlers would have better odds for the quality bull permits.

Also, there's no need for separate youth, over 65, and disabled hunter categories. The only reason for having those is so the WDFW can sell more applications.

[fish vacuum]

Just drew the Entiat at age 60.  Pretty sure its OIL !

exactly! I have a buddy that has put in for quality deer since points started, he is 69 and hasn't drawn! Well I havnt drawn for that matter either! Its pretty much OIL!

Your buddy had the option of applying for lots of hunts with better odds. I get drawn for a quality tag every few years because I'm not applying for the hunts everyone else is.

[boneaddict]

Should go like idaho.   You can either apply OIL or for deer and elk

[fish vacuum]

Maybe WDFW should require people to pass a basic math test before they can apply.

[bobcat]

Maybe WDFW should require people to pass a basic math test before they can apply.

     

[Timberstalker]

Should go like idaho.   You can either apply OIL or for deer and elk

This.

[BoomWhop]

Here's an idea OIL are really difficult. It could go similar to Wyoming, Make it that you have to buy the tag to submit for a permit, or if you just want to put in for a point bump it to 50.00 but you are not in the draw. Ya it sucks, it does make it a "rich mans" sport. But life isn't fair and if you are truly passionate to draw a OIL you will find a way to fund your tags. If you don't draw you get your money back minus the point fee.

For other than OIL make 50% of the tags available only for people with 10+ points 

[bearpaw]

I just don't think WA hunters want once-in-a-lifetime deer and elk tags. Perhaps a longer waiting period would be acceptable to more hunters?

[fish vacuum]

The regs booklet clearly shows how many tags are available for each hunt, how many people applied the previous year, and their average number of points.