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Colockum Spike rule change?
« on: March 01, 2009, 05:04:39 PM »
found out at the gun club today that WDFW has changed the spike rule to two smooth spikes above the ear in the Colockum. No more 1x2's and so on. Is this true?? Sorry if it has already been posted.
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 05:08:19 PM »
I believe that is what the WDFW is calling a "True Spike" only hunt.
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 05:09:01 PM »
As far as I know it is going to a "true spike" unit, which is exactly what you described.

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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 05:18:07 PM »
Wow! Folks better be damned sure that both sides are slick. Sometimes it's hard enough to determine if ONE side is legal.

I'm sure there will be folks that pull the trigger too early without making for certain that it's a "true" spike though.

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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 06:51:43 PM »
To bad the elk are so poorly managed for it to come to this. It is close to home so I will probably hunt there, but i am sure glad I can hunt any bull in Oregon any season I choose due to land owner tags. They are expensive, but I will give the money to Oregon this year. I have seen a few elk deer hunting down there so my as well try for one.
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 06:55:46 PM »
 i guess you better shoot one horn off! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 09:02:09 PM »
I think that this program will be marginally successfull.  Obviously this year there wont be as many spikes killed but it's not going to solve the problem.  The WDFW should know this.  I believe that it is all about the revenue and the WDFW isn't going to do anything to help the quality of our hunting if it will hurt their revenue.  Obviously unlike many states, our WDFW does not manage for quality but for how many tags they can sell.

One of the big problems in this area is spike recruitment.  If you don't believe me in 2007 despite the lack of a muzzle loader season and very few bow huntes because it's spike only in 328 146 spikes were harvested and in 329 120 spikes were harvested.  This is total of 246 spikes killed in this area.  It's estimated that between 75 to 80% of the spikes are harvested every year.  I'm not sure if this includes the 10% natural mortality rate that yearling bulls suffer as well.  If not then wow 90% of spikes die every year.  No other GMU comes even close.  The closest one is GMU 368 that had 99 spikes harvested but they have all three hunting seasons.  In 352 the NILE a whopping 23 spikes were harvested.  Most of the other 300 series GMUs had harvest levels between 40-60 spikes killed.  This is one reason why the Colockum has seen a sharp downfall in the amount of branch bulls.  Frankly more branch bulls are harvested every year than you have spikes living to become branch bulls.  The only way to curb this is through road managment or permit only. 
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 07:29:59 AM »
Unfortunately the Yakima's started shooting Spikes!!! Yes UNBELIEVABLE!!! A sharp stick in the eye to the rest of us because they know general season is spike only!!!  >:(

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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 09:25:44 PM »
I herd that the Yakimas had 21 spike heads lined up along the road last year before modern season for all to see up by the reserve. Damn shame.
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 09:32:18 PM »
I herd that the Yakimas has 21 spike heads lined up along the road last year before modern season for all to see up by the reserve. Damn shame.

   

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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 10:21:58 AM »
I herd that the Yakimas had 21 spike heads lined up along the road last year before modern season for all to see up by the reserve. Damn shame.

Is there any photographic evidence to prove this?  If so we could use this.  Otherwise I'm afraid that I will have to agree with YAK-NDN.  It's just stirring the pot and it wont do anybody anygood
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 11:08:18 AM »
The problem is our all mighty WDFW...trying to manage the state for trophy hunts when they should be trying to just manage the herds.
Why do we have a difference in East / West Management....three point or better elk westside?? and spike only east?

Why should we be hunting spikes at all when we could and should have five point or better eastside...works in many other states.

Everytime they try to make a trophy hunt for us (ya right) the tribes get the trophy hunt and we get nothing.

5 Point or better eastside....the permit system is just a way to control hunters.
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 12:20:00 PM »
The problem is our all mighty WDFW...trying to manage the state for trophy hunts when they should be trying to just manage the herds.


Maybe in some areas, but generally they are managing for quantity and not quality.




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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 12:56:43 PM »
found out at the gun club today that WDFW has changed the spike rule to two smooth spikes above the ear in the Colockum. No more 1x2's and so on. Is this true?? Sorry if it has already been posted.
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 After what I heard in Ellensburg yesterday..I think they might throw that one out. Patheticly there were ony 4 of us that had any comment on this problem. 2 were so gloom and doom that the a commissioner asked if he would be open to closing the area for a year totally ,to which he said yes. They (2 speakers) were for the SP option which I do not want. I'd rather see it closed for a year which unfortunately wouldn't bring in the 3000 plus fees for applying for them even though I would put in for a ghost hunt "any bull" tag to increase the 14 points we already have. When we started putting in for this you had to give up the first weekend of general bull to even get the chance for it. What happend there? Not enough revenue. Let's see...what roads will they close (another option) so that the older and disabled hunters get squeezed into a smaller area. My biggest @#$%@&* is that  the DNR has logged out all the cover in MANY areas up there that the problem we have WAS caused. Take out hundreds of acres of cover up there and what would be the imminent result. This has happened.  How can they expect bull escapement when so much to escape to has been removed???
 I also brought up the group size limit for SP's What would they be? hopefully bigger than the 12 limit they have for most others since many camps are much bigger than that number. H
How about poaching? Has anyone noticed how many more animals (elk and deer) you see on the Ellensburg sideas compared to the Wenatchee side? Last year we didn't see squat from the lower basin loop ( Schaller or Jumpoff) clear to the Jumpoff line shack.
 Now what does the north side of this area have more of than the south? Orchards and workers maybe?
 By they way...we have been hunting this area in one form or another for 44 years.
 

Also our governess has proposed putting DFW enforcement under the State patrol control... the legislature is increasing license fees by at least 10%, and there are noises of DISSOLVING the game commission to be replaced by what kind of bureocratic mess??
 
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Re: Colockum Spike rule change?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 03:35:54 PM »
found out at the gun club today that WDFW has changed the spike rule to two smooth spikes above the ear in the Colockum. No more 1x2's and so on. Is this true?? Sorry if it has already been posted.
[/quote

 After what I heard in Ellensburg yesterday..I think they might throw that one out. Patheticly there were ony 4 of us that had any comment on this problem. 2 were so gloom and doom that the a commissioner asked if he would be open to closing the area for a year totally ,to which he said yes. They (2 speakers) were for the SP option which I do not want. I'd rather see it closed for a year which unfortunately wouldn't bring in the 3000 plus fees for applying for them even though I would put in for a ghost hunt "any bull" tag to increase the 14 points we already have. When we started putting in for this you had to give up the first weekend of general bull to even get the chance for it. What happend there? Not enough revenue. Let's see...what roads will they close (another option) so that the older and disabled hunters get squeezed into a smaller area. My biggest @#$%@&* is that  the DNR has logged out all the cover in MANY areas up there that the problem we have WAS caused. Take out hundreds of acres of cover up there and what would be the imminent result. This has happened.  How can they expect bull escapement when so much to escape to has been removed???
 I also brought up the group size limit for SP's What would they be? hopefully bigger than the 12 limit they have for most others since many camps are much bigger than that number. H
How about poaching? Has anyone noticed how many more animals (elk and deer) you see on the Ellensburg sideas compared to the Wenatchee side? Last year we didn't see squat from the lower basin loop ( Schaller or Jumpoff) clear to the Jumpoff line shack.
 Now what does the north side of this area have more of than the south? Orchards and workers maybe?
 By they way...we have been hunting this area in one form or another for 44 years.
 

Also our governess has proposed putting DFW enforcement under the State patrol control... the legislature is increasing license fees by at least 10%, and there are noises of DISSOLVING the game commission to be replaced by what kind of bureocratic mess??
 


The "Doom and Gloom" guy you describe is ColockumElk...  I was right next to him in the front row...  Did you hear ANY of the stats???  There was only 127 or something bulls reported in '07 vs 340 something in '05 I believe... tell me why we SHOULDN'T close the colockum for all hunting or go to a permit only... I say close it off for a year or two, then make it a permit only hunt with 100 rifle branch tags, 200 archery bull tags, and 75 muzz tags...  throw in some cow tags and I think you'd be doing well.  With 300 bulls being born every year in just a couple years of closure there's going to be a lot more branched bulls running around...  you figure 65% success for rifle, 25% for archery, and 35% for muzzloader and you have less than 150 bulls being taken per year with an added 150+ bulls per year from calving (300- ~150)...  (btw the success ratios I just pulled out of my ass, but I'm sure they'd be close...)

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