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Doesn't Victoria dump there sewage into the straits? Thinking that would be worse.
And the witch hunt against farmed fish continues....What do you think the results would be if they tested the outflow pipes from a plant that processes "wild" fish? I'd bet it is the same. I have yet to see definitive evidence of these fish "taking over rivers and spawning", "competing for food", "giving wild fish diseases", "cross breeding with native fish", etc. Sure, there are environmental impacts in the immediate area of the pens because of the increased amount of organics entering the system, but look at any animal farming operation and you will see the same thing. Look at the waste produced by any type of slaughterhouse, I bet is is as or nearly as bad.BTW, I visited the Wallace Creek Hatchery a few days ago, in one pond, two of three fish had huge fungal growths on them. Where do the spores go? Into the rivers where "wild" fish live? Do they treat these fish with antifungals or other antibiotics? Where does that runoff go?Just some food for thought.
Quote from: lokidog on November 30, 2017, 02:37:08 PMAnd the witch hunt against farmed fish continues....What do you think the results would be if they tested the outflow pipes from a plant that processes "wild" fish? I'd bet it is the same. I have yet to see definitive evidence of these fish "taking over rivers and spawning", "competing for food", "giving wild fish diseases", "cross breeding with native fish", etc. Sure, there are environmental impacts in the immediate area of the pens because of the increased amount of organics entering the system, but look at any animal farming operation and you will see the same thing. Look at the waste produced by any type of slaughterhouse, I bet is is as or nearly as bad.BTW, I visited the Wallace Creek Hatchery a few days ago, in one pond, two of three fish had huge fungal growths on them. Where do the spores go? Into the rivers where "wild" fish live? Do they treat these fish with antifungals or other antibiotics? Where does that runoff go?Just some food for thought.Well, There are cases of all of the above except, "cross breeding with native fish". Farmed fish are a nightmare for everything except the economy.If it were harmless then when the pens break the DFW wouldn't be begging for everybody to get out there and catch them all.
5 CONCLUSIONSSGPV was widely distributed in wild Atlantic salmon returning from marine migration. In addition, characteristic gill lesions, including apoptosis, were detected in this species. A low amount of viral DNA was detected in anadromous trout, but only in fish that had been cohabiting with SGPV-positive salmon before sampling. SGPV was absent in trout and salmon from non-anadromous water courses, and thus seems to be primarily linked to the marine environment. In addition, this finding lends support to the suggestion that trout are not natural hosts for SGPV. All Arctic char were PCR-negative, but due to a low sample size, these results are inconclusive. The use of freshwater from anadromous water sources may constitute a risk of introducing SGPV to hatcheries. On the other hand, a substantial number of infected farmed salmon constitute a considerable potential for virus propagation and spillback to wild populations. This interaction should therefore be further investigated.
hey don't get all bent over this, I know literally next to nothing about the industry nor am I against it. I understand you've got some skin in this game and know way more than I, so how about sharing instead of huffing off all mad like?
BTW, I'm not saying pumping nasty crap into our wonderful waters is in any way a good thing.....
Fish/game farms should not exist. Proper management of what wild stock remains needs to be the answer.Wild organic fish and game. No steroids, no hormones.Pretty clear IMO
Quote from: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2017, 07:01:26 PMFish/game farms should not exist. Proper management of what wild stock remains needs to be the answer.Wild organic fish and game. No steroids, no hormones.Pretty clear IMOThere are no steroids or hormones or genetic engineering with farmed Atlantic salmon, this is part of all of the misinformation out there. People just latch onto someone's talking point about something else (beef, chicken, pork, pretty much all terrestrially commercially farmed animals) and stick it somewhere else.Organic? Have you seen what is found in the tissues of wild seafood? Antibiotics, depressants, birth control medication, mercury, PCBs, etc. none of which are intentionally given to them. I'd be very interested to compare a tissue sample of farm raised Atlantic salmon and a salmon from the Nisqually River to see which had actually "healthier" meat.Let's face it, people like to eat salmon. There is no possible way to manage "wild" salmon in sustainable numbers to feed (no pun intended) the demand for salmon. I would say that, like oil tankers, net pens should require a double layer of protection (netting).
Quote from: lokidog on November 30, 2017, 07:19:44 PMQuote from: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2017, 07:01:26 PMFish/game farms should not exist. Proper management of what wild stock remains needs to be the answer.Wild organic fish and game. No steroids, no hormones.Pretty clear IMOThere are no steroids or hormones or genetic engineering with farmed Atlantic salmon, this is part of all of the misinformation out there. People just latch onto someone's talking point about something else (beef, chicken, pork, pretty much all terrestrially commercially farmed animals) and stick it somewhere else.Organic? Have you seen what is found in the tissues of wild seafood? Antibiotics, depressants, birth control medication, mercury, PCBs, etc. none of which are intentionally given to them. I'd be very interested to compare a tissue sample of farm raised Atlantic salmon and a salmon from the Nisqually River to see which had actually "healthier" meat.Let's face it, people like to eat salmon. There is no possible way to manage "wild" salmon in sustainable numbers to feed (no pun intended) the demand for salmon. I would say that, like oil tankers, net pens should require a double layer of protection (netting).Antibiotics contain steroid compounds.Yellow mount is treated with antibiotics. I don’t see where the confusion or misinformation is?
And all of the pharma that is dumped into puget sound is disgusting.
Quote from: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2017, 07:25:36 PMQuote from: lokidog on November 30, 2017, 07:19:44 PMQuote from: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2017, 07:01:26 PMFish/game farms should not exist. Proper management of what wild stock remains needs to be the answer.Wild organic fish and game. No steroids, no hormones.Pretty clear IMOThere are no steroids or hormones or genetic engineering with farmed Atlantic salmon, this is part of all of the misinformation out there. People just latch onto someone's talking point about something else (beef, chicken, pork, pretty much all terrestrially commercially farmed animals) and stick it somewhere else.Organic? Have you seen what is found in the tissues of wild seafood? Antibiotics, depressants, birth control medication, mercury, PCBs, etc. none of which are intentionally given to them. I'd be very interested to compare a tissue sample of farm raised Atlantic salmon and a salmon from the Nisqually River to see which had actually "healthier" meat.Let's face it, people like to eat salmon. There is no possible way to manage "wild" salmon in sustainable numbers to feed (no pun intended) the demand for salmon. I would say that, like oil tankers, net pens should require a double layer of protection (netting).Antibiotics contain steroid compounds.Yellow mount is treated with antibiotics. I don’t see where the confusion or misinformation is?Antibiotics are not, nor do they contain steroids. Antibiotic use in aquaculture, is, as far as I have been able to determine, regulated to only being used to actively treat a condition unlike the other farming where it can be used simply to help fatten up animals like chickens, pigs or cows.Yes, yellowmouth is treated with antibiotics, so what? You have not given any proof, just more misinformation. Are you against farming animals of any kind? At least be consistent.....Quote from: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2017, 07:28:51 PMAnd all of the pharma that is dumped into puget sound is disgusting.This we can agree upon.