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Common sense??? We're gonna use common sense to be the rule of law now? Ok, well common sense tells me that the US is wasting BILLIONS on ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS so let's round them all up and deport them, NOW.Common sense tells me, oh man I can go on and on...
Can anyone show me where to look up the region 3 elk damage kill permits from last year? Is that scientific management? Killing pregnant cows because they cross an imaginary line onto historic winter range, not some detrimental feeding station...... Talk about more blood and guts!
Quote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on January 31, 2018, 03:36:33 AMQuote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do soOk, so lets talk about selling the game being against your law. let me ask you an honest question then, Do you guys enforce that law? I'll answer that for you, hell no! I'm sure you've heard of the Jerky guy, AW. How much does he make a year on selling jerky? I just saw a facebook photo with him standing in front of a full smoker full of elk meat. And him saying he was all sold out and needs to resupply. What does a guy do with 25 to over 100 bull elk a year, he sells it. How about the tribal members that killed elk and deer weekly and drove to Tacoma to sell it to a big time criminal? Please don't tell me the tribe or the elders didn't know about that one!!!!!!! Be honest here, these are perfectly honest questions, no bashing or racist remarks were said.
Quote from: swordtine on January 02, 2018, 10:44:22 PMQuote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?I can bet that no councilmen ever said that about selling game, it's against our law to do so
Quote from: jnordwell on January 02, 2018, 09:31:53 PMSo how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?This is an interesting point...the other day I spoke with an enrolled member down here on the yakama res who told me he asked someone on the council whether he could sell the meat from elk he shoots and was told if he is selling it to feed his family it is just another way he is providing a living....which I guess in principle I do agree with but the problem I have with it is the extremely finite nature of the resource he is utilizing. Wild game can be so easily overharvested, and cannot be propagated to match harvest in the same ways domesticated livestock can...I asked the fellow how hard it would be for him to harvest say, 10 elk in a year, and he kind of just chuckled and said 10? That's easy.In all fairness I do believe this man is providing meat for several families not just his own, however, he had a medium sized cow elk in his truck bed and told me he shot a 6x7 bull as well as another bull at the same time way up oak creek somewhere the week before. And had already bagged multiple cows before these... But he only had until the 1st to take cows so he was going back up..........I say all of this not to incite jealousy or hatred, but simply to state the obvious: if there are even only one or two dozen members of every tribe "playing by the rules" which this man is, doing this and harvesting upwards of a dozen elk every year or more, how can we hope to see and enjoy a thriving population of these animals for generations to come?
So how come no one has said this...Legally as it maybe out of glen wood and trout lake the yaks are getting 75$ for a deer and 150+$ for elk.. non tribesman are paying them for this. Growing up around some of the Indians if they make money at it they will do it. So is that legal? I asked a game warden about it.. he said he couldn’t do anything about it... so how are his hands tied?
Most don't know this is a renewable resource that is a slow renewal resource. They don't believe it can be impacted enough to be detrimental. But, hey what do I know, I don't have a piece of paper on my wall
Yes and no to the questions. Do they know about every little thing going on? No. Is 1 member on their radar for selling animals in Tacoma? No. Why would they know about it? Wdfw never came down and said here, this member is selling over in puget sound. I can honestly say I brought the book and case up to 1 council member and they didn't know what i was talking about a couple years ago.Do they know a tribal member is selling jerky? Probably. Do they plan to stop it? Probably not. Last I heard he actually had a business license for his jerky. Again, as I said before, you have to affect change at a cultural level with science.Most don't know this is a renewable resource that is a slow renewal resource. They don't believe it can be impacted enough to be detrimental. But, hey what do I know, I don't have a piece of paper on my wall
Quote from: PlateauNDN on February 01, 2018, 06:54:58 AMMost don't know this is a renewable resource that is a slow renewal resource. They don't believe it can be impacted enough to be detrimental. But, hey what do I know, I don't have a piece of paper on my wallIndians don't know about bison?Weird.
Quote from: trophyhunt on February 01, 2018, 06:09:39 AMQuote from: Tbar on January 31, 2018, 10:41:30 PMCan anyone show me where to look up the region 3 elk damage kill permits from last year? Is that scientific management? Killing pregnant cows because they cross an imaginary line onto historic winter range, not some detrimental feeding station...... Talk about more blood and guts!So your comparing 25 permits for master hunters to what goes on in the natches area? That's quite a stretch TbaR. Not at all, those are master hunter draw tags. I was referring very specifically to kill permits. (Quite possibly the just behind permit cuts and archery season alteration)
Quote from: Tbar on January 31, 2018, 10:41:30 PMCan anyone show me where to look up the region 3 elk damage kill permits from last year? Is that scientific management? Killing pregnant cows because they cross an imaginary line onto historic winter range, not some detrimental feeding station...... Talk about more blood and guts!So your comparing 25 permits for master hunters to what goes on in the natches area? That's quite a stretch TbaR.
How do you show that a herd is not healthy just because numbers say different?
