Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county

[CAMPMEAT]

Would there of been a helo called out for a cougar snooping around said tree climber ? I doubt it.

They call that a retrieval not a rescue and the sense of urgency isn't the same.

 

[dontgetcrabs]

She probably wouldn't climb a tree to escape a Cougar 

    

[wolfbait]

And then there's the fact that the wolves haven't been hunted in WA, they don't have the respect for humans that say bears, coyotes or cats do, I'm sure the girl that went tree climbing has a different outlook on pepper spray.

 

 We have taught the wolf that there is no reason no reason to fear man in this area. So why would they act any different. They have a curious nature with instinctual intentions, survive, which means consume food when opportunity presents its self, they also take the path of least resistance. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the average unarmed human walking Fido down the nature trail is going to put up less than a fight than your average cow elk..... as soon as they figure that out peoples opinions will change. I just don't understand why we have to wait for this to happen.
 F and G is wanting to shake up the natural order of things by introducing NOT Reintroducing ( because these guys were never here) a predator that they realistically have no idea how to manage. You cant start putting piranhas in trout ponds all over the northwest and expect them to do only management work by taking out the weak.

 ...there ya go.
[/quote]

I don't think WDFW ever had any plans to "manage" wolves, their actions so far reflect this.

Keeping the public dumb by stating that wolves are timid and very seldom harm people or there have only been two deaths from wolves only proves that WDFW have an agenda and will do what it takes to keep people in the dark as long as they can.

Like you and many others have stated it's only a matter of time before wolves step up the game of doing more then prey testing and someone or several someones don't make it though an attack. The Methow Valley is a good example of WDFW, the USFS etc. stupidity in not having warnings signs at trailheads or posted for the general public of what real wolves do, not WDFW's fake timid wolves.

This last incident did shake some people off the fence, and I highly doubt any BS story WDFW etc. put out will change their thinking, seems to be more questions and interest about wolf attacks then before. Hopefully people smarten up and realize what many have and that's that WDFW etc. could careless about the impact wolves are and will have on public and private lands, and the fact that WDFW don't give two cents about those who are attacked or killed by their special wolves.

[Odell]

Folks,  I can't believe that this thread has gone on so many pages. The truth is that the true facts of this incident will probably never be known, if WDFW had been able to call off the helicopter we most likely wouldn't know what we do, as the WDFW has been downplaying the wolf information for a long, long time. If you bring it up to WDFW upper-management they tend to get rather defensive and uncomfortable.  At least they will admit that the yearly count numbers they publish are only a guess.

The only thing that I found in this thread that I don't understand is the comparison of Idaho to Washington. Sure there have not been a bunch of wolf/human incidents in Idaho that I have heard of, but to put a little balance on the subject, Idaho has roughly 16 people per square mile, Washington has roughly 97 people per square mile. Which state has the better chance of wolf/human interactifon? 

Leave the Seattle area out, and the people per square mile isn't that different.

yeah but the people in seattle don't always stay there, they hike, camp, even hunt

[bornhunter]

Time cir a media persin to file a public disclosure request.

[Jonathan_S]

Anybody can do a FOIA Request 

[wolfbait]

Wolves wouldn’t let woman leave Washington forest

http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20180731/wolves-wouldnt-let-woman-leave-washington-forest

[buglebrush]

Folks,  I can't believe that this thread has gone on so many pages. The truth is that the true facts of this incident will probably never be known, if WDFW had been able to call off the helicopter we most likely wouldn't know what we do, as the WDFW has been downplaying the wolf information for a long, long time. If you bring it up to WDFW upper-management they tend to get rather defensive and uncomfortable.  At least they will admit that the yearly count numbers they publish are only a guess.

The only thing that I found in this thread that I don't understand is the comparison of Idaho to Washington. Sure there have not been a bunch of wolf/human incidents in Idaho that I have heard of, but to put a little balance on the subject, Idaho has roughly 16 people per square mile, Washington has roughly 97 people per square mile. Which state has the better chance of wolf/human interactifon? 

Leave the Seattle area out, and the people per square mile isn't that different.

yeah but the people in seattle don't always stay there, they hike, camp, even hunt

Yes but tens of thousands of non residents hunt, hike, camp in Idaho.  Not even close to as many in WA.

[wolfbait]

Folks,  I can't believe that this thread has gone on so many pages. The truth is that the true facts of this incident will probably never be known, if WDFW had been able to call off the helicopter we most likely wouldn't know what we do, as the WDFW has been downplaying the wolf information for a long, long time. If you bring it up to WDFW upper-management they tend to get rather defensive and uncomfortable.  At least they will admit that the yearly count numbers they publish are only a guess.

The only thing that I found in this thread that I don't understand is the comparison of Idaho to Washington. Sure there have not been a bunch of wolf/human incidents in Idaho that I have heard of, but to put a little balance on the subject, Idaho has roughly 16 people per square mile, Washington has roughly 97 people per square mile. Which state has the better chance of wolf/human interactifon? 

Leave the Seattle area out, and the people per square mile isn't that different.

yeah but the people in seattle don't always stay there, they hike, camp, even hunt

Yes but tens of thousands of non residents hunt, hike, camp in Idaho.  Not even close to as many in WA.

From my understanding talking to folks in Idaho, the USFWS decline to even investigate wolf attacks on people

[Jpmiller]

Folks,  I can't believe that this thread has gone on so many pages. The truth is that the true facts of this incident will probably never be known, if WDFW had been able to call off the helicopter we most likely wouldn't know what we do, as the WDFW has been downplaying the wolf information for a long, long time. If you bring it up to WDFW upper-management they tend to get rather defensive and uncomfortable.  At least they will admit that the yearly count numbers they publish are only a guess.

The only thing that I found in this thread that I don't understand is the comparison of Idaho to Washington. Sure there have not been a bunch of wolf/human incidents in Idaho that I have heard of, but to put a little balance on the subject, Idaho has roughly 16 people per square mile, Washington has roughly 97 people per square mile. Which state has the better chance of wolf/human interactifon? 

Leave the Seattle area out, and the people per square mile isn't that different.

yeah but the people in seattle don't always stay there, they hike, camp, even hunt

Yes but tens of thousands of non residents hunt, hike, camp in Idaho.  Not even close to as many in WA.

From my understanding talking to folks in Idaho, the USFWS decline to even investigate wolf attacks on people

I'm pretty sure if that were true heads would roll. I find it hard to believe any government agency would decline to even investigate a wild animal attack on a human if for no other reason than to cover their own butts.

[idahohuntr]

Folks,  I can't believe that this thread has gone on so many pages. The truth is that the true facts of this incident will probably never be known, if WDFW had been able to call off the helicopter we most likely wouldn't know what we do, as the WDFW has been downplaying the wolf information for a long, long time. If you bring it up to WDFW upper-management they tend to get rather defensive and uncomfortable.  At least they will admit that the yearly count numbers they publish are only a guess.

The only thing that I found in this thread that I don't understand is the comparison of Idaho to Washington. Sure there have not been a bunch of wolf/human incidents in Idaho that I have heard of, but to put a little balance on the subject, Idaho has roughly 16 people per square mile, Washington has roughly 97 people per square mile. Which state has the better chance of wolf/human interactifon? 

Leave the Seattle area out, and the people per square mile isn't that different.

yeah but the people in seattle don't always stay there, they hike, camp, even hunt

Yes but tens of thousands of non residents hunt, hike, camp in Idaho.  Not even close to as many in WA.

From my understanding talking to folks in Idaho, the USFWS decline to even investigate wolf attacks on people

Trying talking to people that are grounded in reality and facts...as opposed to those wearing tinfoil hats...and you might find that your understanding will change. 

[KFhunter]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

[jackelope]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

[Blacktail Sniper]

Wolfbait did not say that no one would investigate, only that USFWS may be declining to investigate and leaving it up to local police.  Wolves are delisted statewide in Idaho leaving management to the state (including investigations)

(but I get that it's far more fun to paint wolfbait as a tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko)

Do local police investigate when a bear attacks someone?
Did the city of North Bend Police investigate when the lion killed that person on the timber land?
I guess I always assumed that the WDFW investigates. Maybe when it's an ESA animal, the feds would investigate?

Anyone know the actual protocol here, tinfoil hats or not aside?
@bigtex ?

Since in Idaho, wolves are no longer listed as an endangered species, wouldn't it now, in most cases, be the Idaho Fish & Game Department's responsibility to do any investigation? 

[jackelope]

(Just realized after thinking about it, that the lion attack in NB was probably outside the NB PD's jurisdiction and as law enforcement goes, maybe would be a King County Sheriff thing if it was in fact a police investigation thing)