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forest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?
According to the Ecological Institute at Northern Arizona University, research data reveals that southwestern forests through the 1990s were “open-structured” forests that were subject low-intensity fires due to relatively light fuel loads of vegetation, downed needles, and woody debris, and also due to smaller tree saplings and seedlings.But these same forests two decades later have become much denser, and the majority of fires have quickly been suppressed to protect natural resources, human communities, and structures. Consequently, the accumulation of fuels has greatly increased the likelihood of “wildfires of unprecedented severity” due to active crown fires spreading from tree to tree through the canopy of densely packed forest stands.
Quote from: jmscon on August 12, 2018, 04:42:46 PMforest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?Realistically I doubt that will happen! I would be happy to see more logging rather than letting all that good timber burn! Sure, any land with growth can burn, but there is a much better chance of controlling a fire where there are breaks in the dense forest, and logging makes breaks in the forests. Having more logging will keep more dollars and jobs in the US rather than buying Canadian lumber and leave much better economies in rural towns!
Quote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:01:34 PMQuote from: jmscon on August 12, 2018, 04:42:46 PMforest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?Realistically I doubt that will happen! I would be happy to see more logging rather than letting all that good timber burn! Sure, any land with growth can burn, but there is a much better chance of controlling a fire where there are breaks in the dense forest, and logging makes breaks in the forests. Having more logging will keep more dollars and jobs in the US rather than buying Canadian lumber and leave much better economies in rural towns!More vegetation for animals to feed on also
Quote from: Alex4200 on August 12, 2018, 07:27:35 AMNot say that I am getting old, but this is the third time in my lifetime that I remember this exact area burning. 1972 Gold Ridge and Slide Ridge Fire combined to make one huge fire. 1994 the Tyee complex burned all the way to the City of Chelan. Now the Cougar Creek Fire. This doesn’t take into account all the other fires that have taken place in the Entiat watershed. The biggest question now is how will all the different agencies involved manage the area for the next several years. It seems after every Fire season someone comes up with new post fire manage plan to compensate for the last plan that didn’t quite work like they had hoped for.As usual they will manage it improperly. Look at the last 10 years in the Entiat Valley, The USFS major job is no longer managing the forest, its managing fires, and doing a piss poor job of it. No more logging, and they are very vocal about prescribed burns......which they constantly tell the public will help to control huge fires. Take Tyee as an example, during the last big fire (Wolverine I believe) they spent tons of cash making a supposable 300' wide fire break for miles(It was more like 30' wide BTW). It went all the way up Tyee ridge, and somewhere back in behind Leavenworth/Lake Wenatchee/Plain area. For the last 2-3 years they have did a ton of prescribed burns along Tyee Ridge........How are those working out for them right now? The FS also likes to distribute the Koolaid that because we suppressed fires for so many years....this is why the big ones are happening now. HOGWASH!! Responsible logging breaks up large tracts of timber, reducing the possibility of fires becoming huge. Suppression of fires while they are small saves miles and miles of timber/forest land. At the pace the USFS is letting the valleys burn, 10 more years and there wont be a tree up there taller than 12'.Our USFS is a hot mess that is totally out of control. Until we can find a way to reel them in, and back to managing OUR forests for ALL user groups, the carnage will continue.
Not say that I am getting old, but this is the third time in my lifetime that I remember this exact area burning. 1972 Gold Ridge and Slide Ridge Fire combined to make one huge fire. 1994 the Tyee complex burned all the way to the City of Chelan. Now the Cougar Creek Fire. This doesn’t take into account all the other fires that have taken place in the Entiat watershed. The biggest question now is how will all the different agencies involved manage the area for the next several years. It seems after every Fire season someone comes up with new post fire manage plan to compensate for the last plan that didn’t quite work like they had hoped for.
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on August 12, 2018, 05:24:06 PMQuote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:01:34 PMQuote from: jmscon on August 12, 2018, 04:42:46 PMforest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?Realistically I doubt that will happen! I would be happy to see more logging rather than letting all that good timber burn! Sure, any land with growth can burn, but there is a much better chance of controlling a fire where there are breaks in the dense forest, and logging makes breaks in the forests. Having more logging will keep more dollars and jobs in the US rather than buying Canadian lumber and leave much better economies in rural towns!More vegetation for animals to feed on also My best hunting is on private lands that are regularly logged and thinned every 10 years or so. The USFS lands would support so much more wildlife if so many acres weren't dead on the forest floor caused by all the overaged timber.
Quote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:31:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on August 12, 2018, 05:24:06 PMQuote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:01:34 PMQuote from: jmscon on August 12, 2018, 04:42:46 PMforest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?Realistically I doubt that will happen! I would be happy to see more logging rather than letting all that good timber burn! Sure, any land with growth can burn, but there is a much better chance of controlling a fire where there are breaks in the dense forest, and logging makes breaks in the forests. Having more logging will keep more dollars and jobs in the US rather than buying Canadian lumber and leave much better economies in rural towns!More vegetation for animals to feed on also My best hunting is on private lands that are regularly logged and thinned every 10 years or so. The USFS lands would support so much more wildlife if so many acres weren't dead on the forest floor caused by all the overaged timber.I've had quite a bit of success hunting Harvest units also, but that doesn't mean we should Harvest everything out there. The animals we hunt aren't the only ones that deserve a place to live in the woods
and the fact that we have to import timber products from Canada as a result of enviro laws was pure economic ignorance at it's finest!
Quote from: jmscon on August 11, 2018, 11:01:07 AMQuote from: SemperFidelis97 on August 11, 2018, 09:24:33 AMManagement of these forests is the only answer. Letting fires burn to reduce the fuel load is not a realistic answer with today's population density. The forests of the past that evolved to handle fires no longer exist. We have changed the landscape therefore we have a responsibility to manage it properly. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk100% agree!! Once we cut the forests they are changed FOREVER and they need to be managed properly!Quote from: WildlifeAssassin on August 11, 2018, 10:47:16 AMIf we logged responsibly I would be all for it, but as long as I find these signs at every new clear cut, no way.This too!I don't think the recent increase in fire activity is entirely due to forest conditions and restrictions. I watched a DNR cut burn just as hot as private timberland and FS land.... Climate change absolutely has changed fire frequency and severity.
Quote from: SemperFidelis97 on August 11, 2018, 09:24:33 AMManagement of these forests is the only answer. Letting fires burn to reduce the fuel load is not a realistic answer with today's population density. The forests of the past that evolved to handle fires no longer exist. We have changed the landscape therefore we have a responsibility to manage it properly. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk100% agree!! Once we cut the forests they are changed FOREVER and they need to be managed properly!Quote from: WildlifeAssassin on August 11, 2018, 10:47:16 AMIf we logged responsibly I would be all for it, but as long as I find these signs at every new clear cut, no way.This too!
Management of these forests is the only answer. Letting fires burn to reduce the fuel load is not a realistic answer with today's population density. The forests of the past that evolved to handle fires no longer exist. We have changed the landscape therefore we have a responsibility to manage it properly. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
If we logged responsibly I would be all for it, but as long as I find these signs at every new clear cut, no way.
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on August 12, 2018, 11:54:07 PMQuote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:31:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on August 12, 2018, 05:24:06 PMQuote from: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 05:01:34 PMQuote from: jmscon on August 12, 2018, 04:42:46 PMforest service to be reduced to only what they were originally created for, to fight forest fires.So, where does that leave us?Realistically I doubt that will happen! I would be happy to see more logging rather than letting all that good timber burn! Sure, any land with growth can burn, but there is a much better chance of controlling a fire where there are breaks in the dense forest, and logging makes breaks in the forests. Having more logging will keep more dollars and jobs in the US rather than buying Canadian lumber and leave much better economies in rural towns!More vegetation for animals to feed on also My best hunting is on private lands that are regularly logged and thinned every 10 years or so. The USFS lands would support so much more wildlife if so many acres weren't dead on the forest floor caused by all the overaged timber.I've had quite a bit of success hunting Harvest units also, but that doesn't mean we should Harvest everything out there. The animals we hunt aren't the only ones that deserve a place to live in the woodsNobody's pushing for logging everything out there. Stop coming up with false calamities to muddy the issues. Without a return to logging areas that we used to log, wildlife will suffer immensely; and frankly must of us don't love wolves and grizzlies like you do. What's wrong with managing for healthy ungulate populations for a change? It'll actually improve long-term predator populations as well.
