Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[Rainier10]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

Raffle winners can not hunt Swakane, and there are 2 special permits to go with the auction.

So before the permit change from one permit to two permits, there were still auction tags that could be used in the unit?  Let's say in 1998?

No, auction winners were not allowed to hunt the unit until recently. Where they opened it up to the auction there was 1 draw tag. Then they added a additional draw tag after the auction addition, but maintained the "off limits" for raffle winners.

Thanks.  I'm not a sheep guy but I am trying to get up to speed.  I'm kind of planning on drawing a sheep tag next year.  That's actually been my plan for a few years now it just hasn't worked out.

So there are two special permits that anyone can put in for and draw, one auction tag that you can buy if you have an extra $100,000 of disposable income and now two more tags if you are a card carrying member of the Yakama tribe and get drawn in their drawing, correct?

Yakama's and auction tag holders get to hunt starting Sept 1 and the two general permit guys get to start Sept 15th?

I will say if I dropped $100,000 to get to hunt for two weeks before the general sheep permits and then found out that there were going to be two other permits starting the same day as me  I would be a little PO'd.

[MtnMuley]

........ya think?

[huntnphool]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

Raffle winners can not hunt Swakane, and there are 2 special permits to go with the auction.

So before the permit change from one permit to two permits, there were still auction tags that could be used in the unit?  Let's say in 1998?

No, auction winners were not allowed to hunt the unit until recently. Where they opened it up to the auction there was 1 draw tag. Then they added a additional draw tag after the auction addition, but maintained the "off limits" for raffle winners.

Thanks.  I'm not a sheep guy but I am trying to get up to speed.  I'm kind of planning on drawing a sheep tag next year.  That's actually been my plan for a few years now it just hasn't worked out.

So there are two special permits that anyone can put in for and draw, one auction tag that you can buy if you have an extra $100,000 of disposable income and now two more tags if you are a card carrying member of the Yakama tribe and get drawn in their drawing, correct?

Yakama's and auction tag holders get to hunt starting Sept 1 and the two general permit guys get to start Sept 15th?

I will say if I dropped $100,000 to get to hunt for two weeks before the general sheep permits and then found out that there were going to be two other permits starting the same day as me  I would be a little PO'd.

 Pretty much nailed it.......although I wouldn't hold your breath.

[idahohuntr]

A couple of points:

1. Who gives a damn about guys who buy auction tags? Agencies should not even offer auction tags; the money they provide is budget dust in the grand scheme of things and they are a net negative for the future of hunting...so I've got a real simple solution - stop managing wildlife in any way for the very wealthy or those willing to pay large sums for tags.  Problem solved...you don't have to worry about the auction and the impact of 2 Yakama tags, because the state won't be selling any.  However, if you happen to put in for a Swakane tag and draw, maybe a Tribal member or two will also be hunting there...what a tragedy to have to deal with.   

2. Tribes rights have NOTHING to do with their skin color - those rights are based in Treaties with the United States and Treaties are the supreme law of the land (Article 6 of the US Constitution). Congress can abrogate treaty rights or treaties anytime they want to...but until then(*very unlikely to ever happen), it doesn't really matter what WDFW thinks about when/how/if the Tribe harvests game.     

[Rainier10]

A couple of points:

1. Who gives a damn about guys who buy auction tags? Agencies should not even offer auction tags; the money they provide is budget dust in the grand scheme of things and they are a net negative for the future of hunting...so I've got a real simple solution - stop managing wildlife in any way for the very wealthy or those willing to pay large sums for tags.  Problem solved...you don't have to worry about the auction and the impact of 2 Yakama tags, because the state won't be selling any.  However, if you happen to put in for a Swakane tag and draw, maybe a Tribal member or two will also be hunting there...what a tragedy to have to deal with.   

2. Tribes rights have NOTHING to do with their skin color - those rights are based in Treaties with the United States and Treaties are the supreme law of the land (Article 6 of the US Constitution). Congress can abrogate treaty rights or treaties anytime they want to...but until then(*very unlikely to ever happen), it doesn't really matter what WDFW thinks about when/how/if the Tribe harvests game.   

Well you didn't have to sugar coat it, we can handle the truth, just cut to the chase next time. 

Good points. 

[X-Force]

A couple of points:

1. Who gives a damn about guys who buy auction tags? Agencies should not even offer auction tags; the money they provide is budget dust in the grand scheme of things and they are a net negative for the future of hunting...so I've got a real simple solution - stop managing wildlife in any way for the very wealthy or those willing to pay large sums for tags.  Problem solved...you don't have to worry about the auction and the impact of 2 Yakama tags, because the state won't be selling any.  However, if you happen to put in for a Swakane tag and draw, maybe a Tribal member or two will also be hunting there...what a tragedy to have to deal with.   

2. Tribes rights have NOTHING to do with their skin color - those rights are based in Treaties with the United States and Treaties are the supreme law of the land (Article 6 of the US Constitution). Congress can abrogate treaty rights or treaties anytime they want to...but until then(*very unlikely to ever happen), it doesn't really matter what WDFW thinks about when/how/if the Tribe harvests game.   

Well you didn't have to sugar coat it, we can handle the truth, just cut to the chase next time. 

Good points. 

 

[idahohuntr]

A couple of points:

1. Who gives a damn about guys who buy auction tags? Agencies should not even offer auction tags; the money they provide is budget dust in the grand scheme of things and they are a net negative for the future of hunting...so I've got a real simple solution - stop managing wildlife in any way for the very wealthy or those willing to pay large sums for tags.  Problem solved...you don't have to worry about the auction and the impact of 2 Yakama tags, because the state won't be selling any.  However, if you happen to put in for a Swakane tag and draw, maybe a Tribal member or two will also be hunting there...what a tragedy to have to deal with.   

2. Tribes rights have NOTHING to do with their skin color - those rights are based in Treaties with the United States and Treaties are the supreme law of the land (Article 6 of the US Constitution). Congress can abrogate treaty rights or treaties anytime they want to...but until then(*very unlikely to ever happen), it doesn't really matter what WDFW thinks about when/how/if the Tribe harvests game.   

Well you didn't have to sugar coat it, we can handle the truth, just cut to the chase next time. 

Good points. 

I like to make sure my favorability rating is in the single digits around here...Tribes, wolves, etc. keep me safely in that zone 

[MtnMuley]

I wouldn't expect anything less. I personally wouldn't pack.chains on your late entiat tag this year. Let the ride be great.

[Whitpirate]

I don't think the Swakane herd can take that much ram pressure and I'm a little mystified at the 10 ewe tags on Clemans with all the lion kill etc.. this past year.

[PlateauNDN]

We've had 10 ewe at clemans for the last 4 years I believe. We had ewe at all areas last couple years, but they reduced permits as very few are filled every year.

[shallowforks]

A couple of points:

1 Agencies should not even offer auction tags; the money they provide is budget dust in the grand scheme of things and they are a net negative for the future of hunting...so I've got a real simple solution - stop managing wildlife in any way for the very wealthy or those willing to pay large sums for tags.

For me, this couldnt be more true.

[shallowforks]

Native/Non-Native doesnt matter, we ALL need to work together to properly manage the game in our state, and while we may disagree on certain issues we need to come together to find solutions. No good can come of polarizing ourselves

[MtnMuley]

Native/Non-Native doesnt matter, we ALL need to work together to properly manage the game in our state, and while we may disagree on certain issues we need to come together to find solutions. No good can come of polarizing ourselves

Sadly that doesn't work or have any merit these days. Would be nice if it worked that way, but it never will again.

[shallowforks]

I suppose not if we all shared that attitude. It takes extending ones hand instead of ones sharp tongue. And time. Things dont happen overnight but rather years.

[MtnMuley]

Thanks for the wise words my fellow hunter, but I see a far different picture than you do. This hand will never be extended for these types of issues. It's sad that so many people feel the way you do. You should really broaden yourself on all the aspects of this specific topic before you tell guys like myself to suggest extending a hand.