Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[X-Force]

I'm baffled we have have any members of this forum who think this is okay and we should just move along and carry on.

I'm far more concerned about the nets on the west side, the predators on the east side, and the lack of judicial respect for wildlife laws statewide than the YN taking a few sheep that they're entitled to take.

Do you really know what you're even talking about? Since when have they been "entitled" to Swakane sheep and who from WDFW made this decision? 

Does WDFW have a say in the decision at all?

I would surely hope they have some say beings they have managed the sheep there since their arrival. If  this is in some treaty that you guys believe, then why are they just now introducing these sheep tags up north?

Where does it say they are just now offering the swakane tags?

[MtnMuley]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

[MtnMuley]

I'm baffled we have have any members of this forum who think this is okay and we should just move along and carry on.

I'm far more concerned about the nets on the west side, the predators on the east side, and the lack of judicial respect for wildlife laws statewide than the YN taking a few sheep that they're entitled to take.

Do you really know what you're even talking about? Since when have they been "entitled" to Swakane sheep and who from WDFW made this decision? 

Does WDFW have a say in the decision at all?

I would surely hope they have some say beings they have managed the sheep there since their arrival. If  this is in some treaty that you guys believe, then why are they just now introducing these sheep tags up north?

Where does it say they are just now offering the swakane tags?

It doesn't need to say it anywhere. A fact is a fact. Its new

[huntnphool]

I'm baffled we have have any members of this forum who think this is okay and we should just move along and carry on.

I'm far more concerned about the nets on the west side, the predators on the east side, and the lack of judicial respect for wildlife laws statewide than the YN taking a few sheep that they're entitled to take.

Do you really know what you're even talking about? Since when have they been "entitled" to Swakane sheep and who from WDFW made this decision? 

Does WDFW have a say in the decision at all?

I would surely hope they have some say beings they have managed the sheep there since their arrival. If  this is in some treaty that you guys believe, then why are they just now introducing these sheep tags up north?

Where does it say they are just now offering the swakane tags?

 It's new

[jackelope]

 

I don't know where it says it either, but it's new.

[huntnphool]

I wonder if WDFW shared this with those at the auction?

 Nobody?

 "Oh by the way, we neglected to tell you that you won't actually be hunting before everyone else......the Indians will be given two tags too.....but thanks for your money!"

[Rainier10]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

[ctwiggs1]

But you’re not a tribal member.

So you're okay with skin color giving you special privileges that you've never had until now?

Skin color?

[MtnMuley]

Rainier -- it didnt have anything to do with giving another permit in the Swak. The auction tag has certain units he/she can hunt. So does raffle winner. If that was the case, then why can't the auction tag holder hunt Chelan Butte? They have 6 tags this year.....?

[Rainier10]

I wonder if WDFW shared this with those at the auction?

 Nobody?

 "Oh by the way, we neglected to tell you that you won't actually be hunting before everyone else......the Indians will be given two tags too.....but thanks for your money!"

I think they should have been told and I would hope that they were aware of the change.

[huntnphool]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

Raffle winners can not hunt Swakane, and there are 2 special permits to go with the auction.

[Rainier10]

Rainier -- it didnt have anything to do with giving another permit in the Swak. The auction tag has certain units he/she can hunt. So does raffle winner. If that was the case, then why can't the auction tag holder hunt Chelan Butte? They have 6 tags this year.....?

So are you saying that when there was only one tag in Swakane that it was open to the auction and raffle tag holders?  That's not how I remembered it but I could be wrong.

[Rainier10]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

Raffle winners can not hunt Swakane, and there are 2 special permits to go with the auction.

So before the permit change from one permit to two permits, there were still auction tags that could be used in the unit?  Let's say in 1998?

[huntnphool]

So a couple of years ago they increased the permits in swakane from 1 to 2.  I believe the WDFW thought the herd could take the extra permit.  The byproduct of that change was it opened that unit up for the auction tag winner to be able to hunt.  That also opened it up for the raffle tag winner. That put a possible 4 tags in that unit.

With this latest addition of two tags for the tribe I am just not sure that herd can take it.

What I think the WDFW can do is lower the general tag back to one.  That would eliminate the unit from being open to the auction or raffle winner I believe.

And if all things are supposed to be equal the tribe should lower their harvest to one tag also.

Just my 

Raffle winners can not hunt Swakane, and there are 2 special permits to go with the auction.

So before the permit change from one permit to two permits, there were still auction tags that could be used in the unit?  Let's say in 1998?

No, auction winners were not allowed to hunt the unit until recently. Where they opened it up to the auction there was 1 draw tag. Then they added a additional draw tag after the auction addition, but maintained the "off limits" for raffle winners.

[huntnphool]

 There are two scenarios I can think of...

 1) WDFW was complicit in withholding this info from the auction.....fraud.

 2) WDFW is so powerless and has so much respect from the indians that the indians basically flipped WDFW the bird and did it on their own, leaving WDFW to find out about it today when they read this thread.

 Neither sheds good light on WDFW.