I-1639 mega thread

[bigtex]

I like the language of “prohibited person” in the storage requirement what the heck does that mean? Way to vague against 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments

Not vague at all.

Per the initiative, "prohibited person" means a person who is prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law.

What about 594? Registered to one person, but someone else has access?

Prohibited person is any person who can't possess a firearm whether it be because their a felon, underage, etc. Not a person who can't possess your firearm because you haven't legally transferred it to them yet (assuming they can legally possess a gun).

[KFhunter]

 

I lost more faith in humanity today, if that were possible.

[lokidog]

I lost more faith in humanity today, if that were possible.

Not possible in this state....   

[Boss .300 winmag]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

[bornhunter]

 

[JimmyHoffa]

Unconstitutional
Needs to go thru the courts and up on Kavanaughs desk

 

Don’t think it would pass muster in the Supreme Court.

Very true, but the Seattle Supreme court would not agree

That’s fine. But it has to go thru the courts for a ruling and appeals and on to to the appellate courts. This law could back fire on anti gun groups because the courts may rule that anyone over 18 can legally purchase a firearm including a pistol because it is commonly used for self defense

Aren't initiatives only supposed to cover one subject?  This one is training, age, storage, etc.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Unconstitutional
Needs to go thru the courts and up on Kavanaughs desk

 

Don’t think it would pass muster in the Supreme Court.

Very true, but the Seattle Supreme court would not agree

That’s fine. But it has to go thru the courts for a ruling and appeals and on to to the appellate courts. This law could back fire on anti gun groups because the courts may rule that anyone over 18 can legally purchase a firearm including a pistol because it is commonly used for self defense

Aren't initiatives only supposed to cover one subject?  This one is training, age, storage, etc.

 

[KFhunter]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

Your describing "limited access" vs "secure storage"

a locked office (bedroom) is limited access and *should* fall short of secure storage.

[r67968]

This initiative is just ridiculous. If you read the voter pamphlet they say that all semi automatic rifles are to be classified as assault rifles. We are living in a day and age where the majority of the population do not even have a superficial understanding of firearms. Video games and movies are the sum of what many people think about guns. Stupid people equals stupid laws passed.

[builtfordtough]

Lost for words. If anybody with half a brain read the ENTIRE initiative, they would vote NO. Thanks Paul Allen.

[Boss .300 winmag]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

Your describing "limited access" vs "secure storage"

a locked office (bedroom) is limited access and *should* fall short of secure storage.

What’s the difference between the locks, both can be broken into.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Lost for words. If anybody with half a brain read the ENTIRE initiative, they would vote NO. Thanks Paul Allen.

Yeah what a legacy that *censored* left.😤

[bobcat]

The initiative sounds like it doesn't include semi-automatic shotguns. I wonder why?

So an 18 year old could still buy a semi auto shotgun but not a Ruger 10/22?

[bigtex]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

No crime was committed by your if you report that someone stole your gun within 5 days of YOU noticing the gun is gone OR the gun was in a locked box, gun safe, or other secure locked storage space that is designed to prevent unauthorized use or discharge of a firearm; and The act of keeping an unloaded firearm stored by such means.

[lokidog]

Lost for words. If anybody with half a brain read the ENTIRE initiative, they would vote NO. Thanks Paul Allen.

Yeah what a legacy that *censored* left.😤

   I didn't celebrate his passing, but sure didn't shed any tears either....