I-1639 mega thread

[Bofire]

https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf

on the opening page you have to roll the text up. if nothing else look at Machine Gun on page 27.

[Oh Mah]

https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf

on the opening page you have to roll the text up. if nothing else look at Machine Gun on page 27.

I got it thanks sir.  "would be" "buyer" future not past. 

[KFhunter]

merged all the various I-1639 threads into this one, too difficult to follow all of them and more emerging.

[bornhunter]

What if you have a gun stolen from your house and you don't even know it's gone? I could see that happening.

By the way, Whitman county voted for 1639, so it's not just the Westside and Spokane.

If you report it stolen within five days of knowing it was stolen, you should be exempt from consequences if the law is followed as written.

Except for the "reasonably should have known" part.  This is standard verbiage for imputing knowledge to you when you say "I did not know" of a fact.  It is called constructive knowledge and it is a standard process in law enforcement. 

People should not downplay that this could eviscerate any reporting safe-harbor that implies you could still report five days after you did actually discover the fact of the stolen firearm.  I forget the case, but there was a federal firearms prosecution where a guy was prosecuted for selling to a prohibited possessor (illegal alien, as I recall), because he "reasonably should have known" that the buyer was a prohibited possessor.

So this is not just in the realm of fantasy, as some would have you believe.  It is smack dab in the middle of reality.

Yeah, kind of what I was thinking. So say your handgun was stolen from your house and you don't even know it. A month later a crime is committed with the handgun. You never reported it stolen. Are they going to prosecute you because you SHOULD HAVE known it was stolen?

Yep!

[bornhunter]

All the more reason to create the new state od Liberty. Eastern Wa and Eastern Or.

A new state of liberty wont last long, spokane voted for a communist, it took the whole rest of the district to over turn spokane, too close, over time it'll slip into what we know now

sent from the telephone

I know. Just wishfull thinking.

[Hi-Liter]

So just to be sure,You now have to attend a gun ownership safety class before you can purchase your next firearm?

What about the firearms already owned?

Grandfathered.  You need to have attended a class in the last five years that provided a certificate that indicates under penalty of perjury that the class covers the minimum requirements in the bill.  The class must also be provided by a nationally recognized organization or an instructor that has nationally recognized credentials.

So, you either need to take a new NRA class or similar, or convince you last instructor to re-issue a certificate meeting the above.

So does our WA state right to bear arms in self defense "shall not be impaired" state that you need training to own firearm? or the 2nd amendment. It is also an invasion of private affairs under Art 1 section 7. just to state a couple of them

IMO it would also seem that the right to bear arms would need to be amended, which isn't going to happen.

[Curly]

Gun owners should be looking for realistic ways to stop mass shootings and gun violence.  I agree that it's generally a mental health issue, I also think it's a masculinity issue. 

None of us should be surprised that the initiative passed.  We will see more restrictions in the future and would be smart to get ahead of that through legislation rather than another initiative.

Gun owners should also not be voting for democrats. 

Just say no to voting for Dems.  

Public service announcement.........just say NO!

[KFhunter]

Sorry all, thought I was doing a good thing and merged all these threads together and stuck them in political, but not everyone has opted into the political (old off topics section) and by request its going to outdoor agencies advocacy so everyone can see it

no motw for me 

[Stein]

So just to be sure,You now have to attend a gun ownership safety class before you can purchase your next firearm?

What about the firearms already owned?

Grandfathered.  You need to have attended a class in the last five years that provided a certificate that indicates under penalty of perjury that the class covers the minimum requirements in the bill.  The class must also be provided by a nationally recognized organization or an instructor that has nationally recognized credentials.

So, you either need to take a new NRA class or similar, or convince you last instructor to re-issue a certificate meeting the above.

So does our WA state right to bear arms in self defense "shall not be impaired" state that you need training to own firearm? or the 2nd amendment. It is also an invasion of private affairs under Art 1 section 7. just to state a couple of them

IMO it would also seem that the right to bear arms would need to be amended, which isn't going to happen.

SCOTUS has ruled and reaffirmed that there may be reasonable limitations on the right as there are reasonable limitations on other rights (you can't threaten the president or yell fire in a theater under the 1st for example).

I do find it ironic that you can't require an ID to vote even if it is free because someone may have to pay 50 cents to take a bus, but you can require training and $50+ in tax to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.

[KFhunter]

I think "of a common use" will save us all.  That and removing 2A rights for those 18-20, that and since when do constitutional rights require classes?

We should demand a class before anyone can use their 1st amendment rights 

[Stein]

I think "of a common use" will save us all.  That and removing 2A rights for those 18-20, that and since when do constitutional rights require classes?

We should demand a class before anyone can use their 1st amendment rights 

I do think they may have shot themselves in the foot with the introductory stuff, they are clearly calling out AR-15s as purely military weapons when they are a) not used by the military and b) very much commonly used.

The bill has so much stuff in there I can't help but think something can get the whole thing thrown out.  Much of it is vague as noted.  I can say that I hope to see it in DC as soon as possible.

[konradcountry]

Gun owners should be looking for realistic ways to stop mass shootings and gun violence.  I agree that it's generally a mental health issue, I also think it's a masculinity issue. 

None of us should be surprised that the initiative passed.  We will see more restrictions in the future and would be smart to get ahead of that through legislation rather than another initiative.

Gun owners should also not be voting for democrats. 

Just say no to voting for Dems.  

Public service announcement.........just say NO!

Sorry but we are going to need what is called a lateral strategy. Basically a different way of approaching it.

Voting is not going to do it. What did the state Republicans do to stop 1639? Only the police agencies came out against it.

[TommyH]

I pray something can be done to stop this bs... I really like my home, I was raised there and have been raising my children there, but have been contemplating Ak or Idaho all day long..

[Angry Perch]

Sounds like there may be a market for smooth bore AR's, or plastic cases. 
 

 (22) "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or
redesigned, made or remade, and intended to use the energy of the
explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single
projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the
trigger.

[Fl0und3rz]

So just to be sure,You now have to attend a gun ownership safety class before you can purchase your next firearm?

What about the firearms already owned?

Grandfathered.  You need to have attended a class in the last five years that provided a certificate that indicates under penalty of perjury that the class covers the minimum requirements in the bill.  The class must also be provided by a nationally recognized organization or an instructor that has nationally recognized credentials.

So, you either need to take a new NRA class or similar, or convince you last instructor to re-issue a certificate meeting the above.

So does our WA state right to bear arms in self defense "shall not be impaired" state that you need training to own firearm? or the 2nd amendment. It is also an invasion of private affairs under Art 1 section 7. just to state a couple of them

IMO it would also seem that the right to bear arms would need to be amended, which isn't going to happen.

SCOTUS has ruled and reaffirmed that there may be reasonable limitations on the right as there are reasonable limitations on other rights (you can't threaten the president or yell fire in a theater under the 1st for example).

I do find it ironic that you can't require an ID to vote even if it is free because someone may have to pay 50 cents to take a bus, but you can require training and $50+ in tax to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.

And voting isn't even a Constitutional right that "shall not be infringed."