The real problem with predator control

[konradcountry]

I see a lot of talk about wanting the state to do something about predator control. . Yea well even if we get the state to change it will take a couple years for any plan to go into action.

Here is what I think is the main problem. How many times have you heard the following from other hunters:
I only hunt deer
I don't like bear meat
I am all for coyote hunting. Please keep killing them for me.
I only hunt what I can eat
They're too fast / can't bow hunt them
I used to hunt coyotes.
I don't like gutting bears.
Bears are too cute/likeable.
Coyote hunting sounds fun. But I'm too busy this year.
I don't want to drive that far for predator hunting
Wife/girlfriend won't let me kill cats/bears
I like cats, couldn't shoot one
Bears/Cougars are too hard without bait/hounds
Someone should do something about the predators

[KFhunter]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

[jackelope]

I don't spend much time predator hunting because I struggle finding time outside of family/work/kid stuff. I tried coyote hunting a couple times around me and it's tough. I've never even seen one while hunting.  Over east in the open country is obviously a different story. I've never been interested in shooting a bear but always have a small game tag and a cougar tag just in case a bobcat or cougar ends up in front of me.

I know....excuses excuses...

[Special T]

If they offered a Predator Pagage of Small game, Cougar and Bear Id buy it! They did away with the Deer or Elk combo to raise rev. I would love to look at aggregate sales info for the different time periods around policy changes.

[KFhunter]

I don't spend much time predator hunting because I struggle finding time outside of family/work/kid stuff. I tried coyote hunting a couple times around me and it's tough. I've never even seen one while hunting.  Over east in the open country is obviously a different story. I've never been interested in shooting a bear but always have a small game tag and a cougar tag just in case a bobcat or cougar ends up in front of me.

I know....excuses excuses...

Would predator incentive points help get you out hunting them? 
If you had an opportunity to to get a multi season PIP tag, or quality buck points..would you chase more predators?

[KFhunter]

If they offered a Predator Pagage of Small game, Cougar and Bear Id buy it! They did away with the Deer or Elk combo to raise rev. I would love to look at aggregate sales info for the different time periods around policy changes.

I think what you mean is a predator combo package?  bear, cougar, *wolf + small game


*if or when that ever comes around

[jackelope]

I don't spend much time predator hunting because I struggle finding time outside of family/work/kid stuff. I tried coyote hunting a couple times around me and it's tough. I've never even seen one while hunting.  Over east in the open country is obviously a different story. I've never been interested in shooting a bear but always have a small game tag and a cougar tag just in case a bobcat or cougar ends up in front of me.

I know....excuses excuses...

Would predator incentive points help get you out hunting them? 
If you had an opportunity to to get a multi season PIP tag, or quality buck points..would you chase more predators?

Probably not in all honesty. I'm plenty motivated to spend more time in the woods. It's not about lacking motivation at all.

[Special T]

I don't spend much time predator hunting because I struggle finding time outside of family/work/kid stuff. I tried coyote hunting a couple times around me and it's tough. I've never even seen one while hunting.  Over east in the open country is obviously a different story. I've never been interested in shooting a bear but always have a small game tag and a cougar tag just in case a bobcat or cougar ends up in front of me.

I know....excuses excuses...

Would predator incentive points help get you out hunting them? 
If you had an opportunity to to get a multi season PIP tag, or quality buck points..would you chase more predators?

I think predator hunting is a timing issue. Most of us only really hunt weekend with the possible weeks elk or deer camp. There is no shortage of cats and look they limit opportunity. there is no shortage of bears, and they reduce or eliminate spring bear hunts. How many folks could have harvested a cougar during turkey season?

[bobcat]

Go to a draw system or some other type of system in which people can only hunt deer and elk every other year, at the most, and I bet people would find they have a lot more time for predator hunting.

[idahohuntr]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators. 

[bearpaw]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

   I agree

[Special T]

I say we make it legal to cage trap Cougars.  we never reach quotas here on the the west side, 

[Cougartail]

I love to predator hunt.. but would rather sit on the internet and BS the troops!

[KFhunter]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

I certainly wouldn't be against F4W version in Washington but I'm not sure how it would work other than possibly coyotes   

We can't usually take more than one species of big game predator except bear on the west side (limit 2) w4m is paying for wolf trappers,  if we ever get to hunt the wolf it won't be more than a special draw or 1 wolf bag limit annually.   

It's not even easy to just get a coyote derby permit here in WA, coyote madness failed this year, if it was easy (or didn't require a permit in the first place) we'd have yote hunters out there trying to knock down some yotes, possibly even giving our antelope a better chance at keeping fawns. WDFW makes it a complicated and lengthy process.  Bearpaw knows more about this than I do.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233490.0.html


Can anyone imagine WDFW giving a thing like foundation for wildlife management a green light to pay the equivalent of bounties?


I'm all ears, instead of crapping on ideas how about coming up with some 

[Cougartail]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

I certainly wouldn't be against F4W version in Washington but I'm not sure how it would work other than possibly coyotes   

We can't usually take more than one species of big game predator except bear on the west side (limit 2) w4m is paying for wolf trappers,  if we ever get to hunt the wolf it won't be more than a special draw or 1 wolf bag limit annually.   

It's not even easy to just get a coyote derby permit here in WA, coyote madness failed this year, if it was easy (or didn't require a permit in the first place) we'd have yote hunters out there trying to knock down some yotes, possibly even giving our antelope a better chance at keeping fawns. WDFW makes it a complicated and lengthy process.  Bearpaw knows more about this than I do.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233490.0.html


Can anyone imagine WDFW giving a thing like foundation for wildlife management a green light to pay the equivalent of bounties?


I'm all ears, instead of crapping on ideas how about coming up with some 

A business that gets its money from donations like gofundme could buy furs year round for $75.00. Totally legal and would be a big boost to predator harvest.