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Can we please keep this garbage in the wolf thread! Public land Acquisitions are a good thing that benefit all citizens. Your wolf hate is exhausting and annoying. Keep it in the wolf section we're all tired of listening to it.
Predators won’t end hunting. If we keep going with our predator populations it will put a serious dent in hunter success. I won’t deny that. I think wolves will play a part in that moving forward. Not as big a part as cougars and coyotes and over-hunting do for a long time anyway. We’ll still be able to hunt. We just won’t have anything to shoot. Anti-hunters, division among hunters, politics, a lack of support for the org’s that are working to promote and support hunting...those are the concerns we need to focus more of our time on in order to preserve our pastime moving forward.
In all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.
Quote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/
Quote from: Bob33 on February 09, 2019, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/Well, I am far from ignorant and I don't think anywhere in my statement did I blame the decline on a "single factor". I agree there are many elements that have contributed but it is also not a coincidence that the decline actually started with the predator population going up and a new apex predator that arrived on the scene, at least in this state. Thats when we started noticing the decline, new laws on the books concerning our already established predators and as I said, a new one appearing and left to populate. Something has to give, an exploding predator population along with a growing population of the wolf, guess what they all have to eat and with populations of these predators on the rise they will eat more and more, in the last 20 years it has been noticed, another 5, 10 or 20 years, at this rate no one really knows what will be left. The Methow herd has been devastated, many factors are to blame but this herd has taken the biggest beating by an exploding predator issue combined with a Department that has put other priorities ahead of putting forth a "quality product" for the hunters of this state. Yes Mother Nature has hit our herds through the years just as she has since the beginning of time and will continue to do so for the rest of time, but how things are "managed" is what will and has determined the health of our herds, whether it be during predator explosions or when Mother Nature shows her bad side. In a nutshell, predators, Mother Nature and other factors are happening, and what we are seeing in our big game herds is a result of "managing" through these issues or as some are saying, mis-managing.....
Quote from: bigmacc on February 10, 2019, 04:43:32 PMQuote from: Bob33 on February 09, 2019, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/Well, I am far from ignorant and I don't think anywhere in my statement did I blame the decline on a "single factor". I agree there are many elements that have contributed but it is also not a coincidence that the decline actually started with the predator population going up and a new apex predator that arrived on the scene, at least in this state. Thats when we started noticing the decline, new laws on the books concerning our already established predators and as I said, a new one appearing and left to populate. Something has to give, an exploding predator population along with a growing population of the wolf, guess what they all have to eat and with populations of these predators on the rise they will eat more and more, in the last 20 years it has been noticed, another 5, 10 or 20 years, at this rate no one really knows what will be left. The Methow herd has been devastated, many factors are to blame but this herd has taken the biggest beating by an exploding predator issue combined with a Department that has put other priorities ahead of putting forth a "quality product" for the hunters of this state. Yes Mother Nature has hit our herds through the years just as she has since the beginning of time and will continue to do so for the rest of time, but how things are "managed" is what will and has determined the health of our herds, whether it be during predator explosions or when Mother Nature shows her bad side. In a nutshell, predators, Mother Nature and other factors are happening, and what we are seeing in our big game herds is a result of "managing" through these issues or as some are saying, mis-managing..... Pretty sure he’s talking about the guy blaming everything on the wolves...not you.
Quote from: Bob33 on February 09, 2019, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/I have to say it's a bit past "declined". From everything we have seen since the "game Department" changed to WDFW there has been an agenda to ruin hunting. We see it more with the mule deer, take away hound hunting, throw in loads of doe tags, add wolves and then pretend there aren't any for several years until forced to confirm a pack, then pretend wolf recovery is just starting and slow walk confirmation of wolves. We watch the deer drop in numbers each year while WDFW pretend everything is fine, all the while knowing they are full of BS.WDFW own most of the Golden Doe, and there are very few deer on it, plenty of cat's and wolves though. Use to be quite a number of people that hunted that stretch of country, not so anymore, given the facts, just what the heck does WDFW need more land if there's nothing left to hunt.
The real problem with the sort of things that Wolfbait likes to post is that it undermines our credibility as sportsmen and conservationists to be able to discuss real issues (like predators) and their impacts. The sort of propaganda that he distributes paints us in a light where we are very easily dismissed at all levels of important game management decisions. While I do appreciate his enthusiasm, if it could be directed in better ways we could make some progress for fish and wildlife.
Quote from: jackelope on February 10, 2019, 04:48:39 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 10, 2019, 04:43:32 PMQuote from: Bob33 on February 09, 2019, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/Well, I am far from ignorant and I don't think anywhere in my statement did I blame the decline on a "single factor". I agree there are many elements that have contributed but it is also not a coincidence that the decline actually started with the predator population going up and a new apex predator that arrived on the scene, at least in this state. Thats when we started noticing the decline, new laws on the books concerning our already established predators and as I said, a new one appearing and left to populate. Something has to give, an exploding predator population along with a growing population of the wolf, guess what they all have to eat and with populations of these predators on the rise they will eat more and more, in the last 20 years it has been noticed, another 5, 10 or 20 years, at this rate no one really knows what will be left. The Methow herd has been devastated, many factors are to blame but this herd has taken the biggest beating by an exploding predator issue combined with a Department that has put other priorities ahead of putting forth a "quality product" for the hunters of this state. Yes Mother Nature has hit our herds through the years just as she has since the beginning of time and will continue to do so for the rest of time, but how things are "managed" is what will and has determined the health of our herds, whether it be during predator explosions or when Mother Nature shows her bad side. In a nutshell, predators, Mother Nature and other factors are happening, and what we are seeing in our big game herds is a result of "managing" through these issues or as some are saying, mis-managing..... Pretty sure he’s talking about the guy blaming everything on the wolves...not you.You are getting in the way of Jackelope's pro-wolf pack, Bigmacc, you need to just be quiet and watch from the sidelines, as they tear chunks out of any part of this discussion where I blame the decline of deer on wolves. Doesn't matter if I blame other predators or management, they are here to make a point....That danged ole wolf hater etc... Quote from: wolfbait on February 09, 2019, 08:23:26 PMQuote from: Bob33 on February 09, 2019, 08:07:16 PMQuote from: bigmacc on February 09, 2019, 07:52:18 PMIn all due respect, to those in concern. Those of you who are young, those of you who have the money, those of you who have not seen the days when you COULD kill BIG bucks in this state with only the purchase of a resident tag and license. At one time you COULD kill huge bucks in this state, I have seen HUGE bucks killed in Chelan and Okanogan county, some were seen in person and some were seen in pictures, some of those pictures were 100 years old. There were"spots" in this state that would rival some of the states that you now "pay to play", I have helped "haul", "drag", "pack", and admire some HUGE bucks that were killed in THIS state, some at a frequency that you now have to pay a lot of money to just get "the opportunity". I think what some are saying here is EXACTLY that. This state at one time had some of the healthiest mule deer herds in the country, they were there, they were healthy and accessible. You know what, its not even close anymore, maybe some of these folks that you are ridiculing, they just might see something that you don't see .....once again, all due respect.No on disputes that mule deer populations have declined. They have in nearly all western states including Colorado. There are many factors, many known and some unknown. To blame the decline on a single factor is ignorant.https://muledeer.org/conservation/I have to say it's a bit past "declined". From everything we have seen since the "game Department" changed to WDFW there has been an agenda to ruin hunting. We see it more with the mule deer, take away hound hunting, throw in loads of doe tags, add wolves and then pretend there aren't any for several years until forced to confirm a pack, then pretend wolf recovery is just starting and slow walk confirmation of wolves. We watch the deer drop in numbers each year while WDFW pretend everything is fine, all the while knowing they are full of BS.WDFW own most of the Golden Doe, and there are very few deer on it, plenty of cat's and wolves though. Use to be quite a number of people that hunted that stretch of country, not so anymore, given the facts, just what the heck does WDFW need more land if there's nothing left to hunt.
