What happened to the Triploid trout stock

[DirtyD]

The response I got from WDFW,
       WDFW went into the 2017 legislative session with an identified shortfall of $27 million to provide the same services and products that we had in the previous biennium.  At that time, we requested an increase in license fees to offset the increased cost of living and inflation, as the agency had not had a license fee increase since 2011.   The legislature did not approve a fee increase due in part to a lack of support by hunters and anglers.  They did provide a one-time budget increase of $10 million.  That left WDFW with a hole of $17 million to fill.  The agency was able to cover some of that with one time fund shifts and reductions in staff, but we were unable to cover it all.  Therefore a number of services and products were cut to make up the difference.  The triploid trout program was one of those cuts, as was a reduction in our lake rehabilitation program.  As we move forward into the next biennium (beginning July of 2019), we will be facing a shortfall in excess of $30 million.  If the legislature does not provide additional funds to the agency, the triploid program, along with many other services and programs will be in jeopardy.  I’m sure it isn’t a message you want to hear, but it is the harsh reality of our current budget situation.  As we are currently working in the 2019 legislative session, we could use support for increased funding to WDFW from anglers (and hunters) like yourself.  I hope you will let your legislators know how important this resource is to you and that the agency needs to be funded at a level that allows it to continue to provide services and products.

 

WDFW is still raising over 16 million trout annually to support robust fisheries throughout the state, and the opening day of trout season is still the single busiest fishing day of the year.  The annual freshwater fishing license at $30 continues to be a tremendous value to anglers.

 

I wish you the best of luck fishing this season, and hopefully we will have enough funding to purchase triploid trout for 2020.

 

I hope this answers your question, although I realize I haven’t offered the solution you had hoped to hear.

[WSU]

Simple. They cut things that people like in hopes of forcing fee increases.

[duckmen1]

Sounds about right. Waste money on stuff that will hurt us more and take money away from programs that are doing good.

[lewy]

Maybe more money should be held back from going into the general fund

[KFhunter]

Simple. They cut things that people like in hopes of forcing fee increases.

 

[WSU]

That is a fact. We have multiple years of budget requests that prove it.

[KFhunter]

That is a fact. We have multiple years of budget requests that prove it.

Ya, and knowing that then reading the response to Dirty D really drives that home.

"WDFW went into the 2017 legislative session with an identified shortfall of $27 million to provide the same services and products that we had in the previous biennium.  At that time, we requested an increase in license fees to offset the increased cost of living and inflation, as the agency had not had a license fee increase since 2011.   The legislature did not approve a fee increase due in part to a lack of support by hunters and anglers.  They did provide a one-time budget increase of $10 million.  That left WDFW with a hole of $17 million to fill.  The agency was able to cover some of that with one time fund shifts and reductions in staff, but we were unable to cover it all.  Therefore a number of services and products were cut to make up the difference.  The triploid trout program was one of those cuts, as was a reduction in our lake rehabilitation program. As we move forward into the next biennium (beginning July of 2019), we will be facing a shortfall in excess of $30 million. If the legislature does not provide additional funds to the agency, the triploid program, along with many other services and programs will be in jeopardy.  I’m sure it isn’t a message you want to hear, but it is the harsh reality of our current budget situation.  As we are currently working in the 2019 legislative session, we could use support for increased funding to WDFW from anglers (and hunters) like yourself.  I hope you will let your legislators know how important this resource is to you and that the agency needs to be funded at a level that allows it to continue to provide services and products."

IE: You already lost some things you like, but if you don't help us get that 30 million more dollars we want then you'll loose a lot more things you like!
So yell and scream at your senator/s to get us more money and perhaps we'll see about getting you those fish back.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Specifically what triploid trout program did they cut??  What Region?  Never heard of this. 

[Stein]

It's expensive to destroy all the waterfowl habitat, they can't have enough money for all the great ideas after all.  Fortunately there was money for the wonderful YouTube video on global warming battling salamanders.

[duckmen1]

Specifically what triploid trout program did they cut??  What Region?  Never heard of this. 

Statewide. Not a single triploid is listed to be stocked in any region of washington this year according to the 2019 stocking plan report.

[buckcanyonlodge]

Good Bye Lake Roosevelt trout fishing. Now , how much do they pay the wolf expert??

[Skyvalhunter]

We do stock some triploids most of which are in the NCNP as they do not want reproducing fish there anymore.

[plugger]

And in the mean time they allow ridiculously large limits meant to wipe out populations on fish (walleye, bass catfish) that spawn naturally that don't need a dime of money. 

[boneaddict]

Money seemed to show up to pay for Inslees campaign.  Where in the budget did that come from.  Something like 4 million extra just in security

[Stein]

Money seemed to show up to pay for Inslees campaign.  Where in the budget did that come from.  Something like 4 million extra just in security

It's only 16 officers and it's not like they are needed on the streets.   

It is constitutionally mandated and with total control in the legislature there will be zero pressure to do the right thing.

I've said it many times, until WDFW license revenue drops off a cliff there will be no changes and it will just get worse.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Specifically what triploid trout program did they cut??  What Region?  Never heard of this. 

Statewide. Not a single triploid is listed to be stocked in any region of washington this year according to the 2019 stocking plan report.

This is not true, WDFW WILL be planting triploids all over the state.  Are you talking about the "trophy trout program" the legislature pays for? 
Example.......Pend Orielle county only gets triploid trout. 

More info is needed on this.

[buckfvr]

Specifically what triploid trout program did they cut??  What Region?  Never heard of this. 

Statewide. Not a single triploid is listed to be stocked in any region of washington this year according to the 2019 stocking plan report.

This is not true, WDFW WILL be planting triploids all over the state.  Are you talking about the "trophy trout program" the legislature pays for? 
Example.......Pend Orielle county only gets triploid trout. 

More info is needed on this.

Legislatures dont even pay for their own lunch.......tax payers foot the bill, and then some.

[Fishmaker57]

Plenty of Triploids being planted in Okanogan county lakes. Rufus Woods only gets Triploids....100% supplied by the Colville Tribe, WDFW has never planted Rufus!

[Skyvalhunter]

Well my club buys thousands of eggs. For high lakes and they get shipped to the state hatchery. They only give the ok on our input of the cycle and number of fish planted. So it's not like they kick any money in on that program.

[Dhoey07]

Plenty of Triploids being planted in Okanogan county lakes. Rufus Woods only gets Triploids....100% supplied by the Colville Tribe, WDFW has never planted Rufus!

Maybe it's time to start buying their license.....

[duckmen1]

Specifically what triploid trout program did they cut??  What Region?  Never heard of this. 

Statewide. Not a single triploid is listed to be stocked in any region of washington this year according to the 2019 stocking plan report.

This is not true, WDFW WILL be planting triploids all over the state.  Are you talking about the "trophy trout program" the legislature pays for? 
Example.......Pend Orielle county only gets triploid trout. 

More info is needed on this.

True according to wdfw 2019 trout and stocking plan report on there website. My post is in regards to wdfw stocking plans. Thats not saying there isn't going to be private stocks or tribal stocking. Go to the WDFW we site and look at the current year plan. I just read the facts that are in print. I dont just say things to say things. Also have been associated with some of the hatchery programs in the south sound and they are not on contract with triploid stocking this year with wdfw as they were in the past. Thats not saying there wont be a jumbo category of trout stocked but no sterile triploids are on schedule.

[Fishmaker57]

If you are looking for projected stocking information, from WDFW, look at the information in the FBD (Future Brood Document). The link below provides the stocking and planting goals for all lake plants, from WDFW. In the memo notes, at the bottom of each page, it states how many Rainbow being planted are Dips (Diploids) or Trips (Triploids).

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/01958/trout_2018_final.pdf

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Always use the Future brood.  More Triploids than you can count are going to be stocked!  It is my understanding the program that may be cut is the trophy trout program.  This is a very small amount of larger fish spread out over many lakes. 

BTW a triploid trout is nothing special and does not always equal a larger trout.

[DirtyD]

Always use the Future brood.  More Triploids than you can count are going to be stocked!  It is my understanding the program that may be cut is the trophy trout program.  This is a very small amount of larger fish spread out over many lakes. 

BTW a triploid trout is nothing special and does not always equal a larger trout.

I was looking at my local lakes in Skagit and have been use to catching some big triploids in the winter. I noticed that none was stocked last year only jumbos. Looked at other counties and found the same results everywhere. So I want more info and contacted WDFW. Only tribale or private will stock triploids.

[singleshot12]

Triploid trout are expensive to raise and really are not that great. They really don't do well in most west-side lake.The Kamloops and Donaldson rainbows would do much better and be a cheaper option for the state. But at this point have little faith they'll do the right thing even if they do raise license fee's.

[KFhunter]

I love em!

I smoke them up after a brine bath and they're yummy

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Always use the Future brood.  More Triploids than you can count are going to be stocked!  It is my understanding the program that may be cut is the trophy trout program.  This is a very small amount of larger fish spread out over many lakes. 

BTW a triploid trout is nothing special and does not always equal a larger trout.

I was looking at my local lakes in Skagit and have been use to catching some big triploids in the winter. I noticed that none was stocked last year only jumbos. Looked at other counties and found the same results everywhere. So I want more info and contacted WDFW. Only tribale or private will stock triploids.

Hey DirtyD just curious if you have a name associated with your WDFW contact, also what hatcheries are cutting their programs?  PM me if you would like.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Triploid trout are expensive to raise and really are not that great. They really don't do well in most west-side lake.The Kamloops and Donaldson rainbows would do much better and be a cheaper option for the state. But at this point have little faith they'll do the right thing even if they do raise license fee's.

A Rainbow triploid could just be like any other rainbow.  Not associated with any certain strain.  The eggs have just been shocked using heat or pressure, which then make a regular ole rainbow sterile.  WDFW also triploids kokanee.  There is no physical difference between a diploid or triploid.  WDFW plants triploids in lakes or streams that could be impacted by a hatchery diploid.  Example is Pend Orielle county which only recieves triploids   

[Fishmaker57]

Most Okanogan County Lakes have been planted with Triploids this spring (paid for and raised by Douglas PUD). These are Steelhead / Kamloops stock, not Spokane or Goldendale (which is what the state uses). This stock produces awesome trout!