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Why the little one?
« on: September 24, 2019, 02:41:24 PM »
Sure looks like an arrow to me.  Why the fawn?  Hope she makes it but I have my doubts.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 02:42:36 PM »
Wow. Poor thing!
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 03:04:48 PM »
Whoa that's too bad. I have been told that an elk would bite that and rip it out.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 08:38:10 PM »
Sometimes arrows hit something and ricochet and hit the wrong target. Deer are surprisingly tough. I'll bet it survives.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 08:42:54 PM »
Why judge?

If it’s legal. I feel bad for the hunter. They are probably sick about not making a good shot
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019, 08:55:23 PM »
Kinda a weird picture,  I see no broadhead, no fletchings, and no blood stained bur where the black arrow looking object comes out.  I guess the end on that side could be broken and the hide cleaned up?

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2019, 09:09:39 PM »
Why judge?

If it’s legal. I feel bad for the hunter. They are probably sick about not making a good shot
why judge?  That deer is tiny tiny tiny.  I get the sick feeling hunter.  And yes it is legal. 

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 09:17:49 PM »
Kinda a weird picture,  I see no broadhead, no fletchings, and no blood stained bur where the black arrow looking object comes out.  I guess the end on that side could be broken and the hide cleaned up?
my scouting equipment is a little obselete.  I thought the same thing.  It doesn't look like it's moving to good in some other pictures I have.  The hide does have some dried up blood on it.  What we see is the entrance.  The arrow never passed through it just stuck it right there.  The deer has rubbed the nock and fletchings off except for about a half a fletching.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 08:23:37 AM »
I'd love to know if that one makes it.  Sure looks like an arrow to me, but with no fletchings I'm thinking it's been there for a minute and the fletching's already rubbed off.  If that's the case, then the wound itself it probably already healed, and, well, it IS walking around getting it's picture taken, sooo....

Deer, like people, can survive some CRAZY stuff. 

Reminds me of the cow elk at Oak Creek feeding station with the broken hip (only walked on one hind leg).  I didn't see her last year, but apparently she had been in that condition for three years running.  I only went once so she certainly could have been there.   
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019, 08:45:53 AM »
Looks pretty short...maybe a bolt from a crossbow...I guess whatever it is could be buried a few inches..

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019, 09:12:18 AM »
Why judge?

If it’s legal. I feel bad for the hunter. They are probably sick about not making a good shot
why judge?  That deer is tiny tiny tiny.  I get the sick feeling hunter.  And yes it is legal.

Maybe we should start judging whatever people shoot?

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019, 09:24:37 AM »
 :yeah:  If it's legal, it's probably in the best interest of all hunters for us to give the unknown hunter the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019, 09:34:39 AM »
Sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.  I'm sure the hunter is sick about it.  I wish I was as perfect as alot of people on here.  Bad shots happen to the best of us.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2019, 09:37:04 AM »
Could have been string jump.......If you havent experienced it as a bowhunter, you havent done much........

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2019, 09:39:32 AM »
Could have been string jump.......If you havent experienced it as a bowhunter, you havent done much........

Man I hate how true that is.  I had a high lung last year that made me sick.  3 hours of tracking the dang thing and I finally found it piled up.  That was 3 hours of telling myself how bad of a bowhunter I am, how I should just give it up, how terrible this is, etc. 

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2019, 09:41:45 AM »
Hope that deer survives. Way too much unknown to be criticizing what appears to be a botched shot during a legal season.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2019, 09:52:08 AM »
Hope that deer survives. Way too much unknown to be criticizing what appears to be a botched shot during a legal season.
this.  Whether the deer gets shot at a year or at 4 years old, it's still dead. The same people who turn their nose at shooting a january pregnant cow won't bat an eye at shooting the same pregnant cow in Oct.  Pointless human emotions that have no bearing in the natural world. Wounded animal sucks regardless of age. Because it's a yearling doesnt make it any worse than if it was a 6.5 year old buck. :twocents:
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2019, 09:52:22 AM »
that's why we all carry one arrow and one bullet . cause we are all perfect. I hope the lil bugger makes it.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2019, 09:54:48 AM »
Hope that deer survives. Way too much unknown to be criticizing what appears to be a botched shot during a legal season.
this.  Whether the deer gets shot at a year or at 4 years old, it's still dead. The same people who turn their nose at shooting a january pregnant cow won't bat an eye at shooting the same pregnant cow in Oct.  Pointless human emotions that have no bearing in the natural world. Wounded animal sucks regardless of age. Because it's a yearling doesnt make it any worse than if it was a 6.5 year old buck. :twocents:


agreed, no reason to judge, maybe it was the only deer the hunter had seen all by itself and appeared to be a "normal" size deer with nothing to gauge it against?? and possibly first year hunting who knows. hope it survives.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2019, 09:55:16 AM »
Hope that deer survives. Way too much unknown to be criticizing what appears to be a botched shot during a legal season.
this.  Whether the deer gets shot at a year or at 4 years old, it's still dead. The same people who turn their nose at shooting a january pregnant cow won't bat an eye at shooting the same pregnant cow in Oct.  Pointless human emotions that have no bearing in the natural world. Wounded animal sucks regardless of age. Because it's a yearling doesnt make it any worse than if it was a 6.5 year old buck. :twocents:

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2019, 09:59:59 AM »
Posting these kind of pictures just gives the anti-hunters ammunition to ban hunting. 

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2019, 11:02:46 AM »
Don't forget, if no other deer around to compare it to, it may be perfectly fine size to shoot. Had a friend shoot his first archery cow elk, young guy, little excited ..... size of a nice big deer. Little embarrassed that it was a large calf, but he said it tasted great.  :dunno:

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2019, 11:05:10 AM »
I saw a guy shoot a fawn antelope in WY one year and he was plenty happy about it.  That thing made the one in the pic look like a monster.  He was carrying it back to the truck with one hand.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2019, 11:14:38 AM »
Why the little one? Because that’s probably the one they had a shot at? Theres a strong argument that for population purposes shooting a fawn that might not survive the winter is better then a mature doe that’s a proven survivor.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2019, 12:01:22 PM »
Sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.  I'm sure the hunter is sick about it.  I wish I was as perfect as alot of people on here.  Bad shots happen to the best of us.
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2019, 01:30:29 PM »
I'm not judging the shot. Never did.  I've wounded animals and never found them it really really sucks, keeps you up at night thinking about it.  These blacktails don't travel far, I see them all the time. Same does, bucks, and fawns.  This fawn is with its mom and sibling all the time.  It was in spots 2 months ago.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2019, 01:49:00 PM »
I saw a guy shoot a fawn antelope in WY one year and he was plenty happy about it.  That thing made the one in the pic look like a monster.  He was carrying it back to the truck with one hand.

yeah, we shot a couple fawn antelope in Wyoming this year, the hunters that took them were thrilled. One of them was the first big game animal he had taken, ever. I have no problems with harvesting younger animals, if that is what is available, and what I am looking for.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2019, 03:10:33 PM »
And people are saying in the bear topic that the young ones taste the best. And what is veil ?

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2019, 07:42:20 PM »
I've shot a fawn or two, and a calf elk... not because they were small, but because things happen. Oh, and the cub bear I have mounted. and man oh man, are they tender and tasty! you know it's good when you're pulling the hide off and the meat is ripping!  :yike: :chuckle: :tup:

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2019, 07:50:02 PM »
Those pic's are posters for anti-hunting.
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2019, 08:20:35 PM »
Those pic's are posters for anti-hunting.
your right.  There are real consequences for what we do.  Accidents happen.  But look at your bottom quote.  If this was a kids first deer or something then ok. High fives are due.  I guess I was taught a little different than others but shooting a fawn is something I wouldnt do on purpose. 

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2019, 11:17:34 PM »
Those pic's are posters for anti-hunting.
your right.  There are real consequences for what we do.  Accidents happen.  But look at your bottom quote.  If this was a kids first deer or something then ok. High fives are due.  I guess I was taught a little different than others but shooting a fawn is something I wouldnt do on purpose.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2019, 05:42:38 AM »
Those pic's are posters for anti-hunting.
your right.  There are real consequences for what we do.  Accidents happen.  But look at your bottom quote.  If this was a kids first deer or something then ok. High fives are due.  I guess I was taught a little different than others but shooting a fawn is something I wouldnt do on purpose.

Good for you.  But until there is a law that says you can't kill fawns I don't see the difference between killing a doe or a fawn. 

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2019, 06:44:07 AM »
Had an antlerless tag few years ago Westside GMU. All the mature Doe's in the area I hunt typically have twins..I choose to harvest a young deer. For sustainability of the herd and to put meat in my freezer..win win..I won't ever judge another Hunter on a legal harvest or their choices associated with their legal decisions in the field.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 07:55:20 AM »
Calf and fawn are so so so tasty. I don't specifically target them but if something is better than nothing. :drool:
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2019, 08:35:40 AM »
It's pretty interesting how we apply different values to different animals.  Most have no problem shooting ducks or geese hatched this year, but it's different with deer.  Same goes with the attitude to "winging" one as well as the ethics of shooting them on the water vs in flight.  When I took up waterfowling it really struck me the difference in ethics vs big game.  I didn't grow up hunting, so I have developed my hunting ethics largely on my own instead of from a particular person or community. 

It does seem that many people assume there is only one set of ethics.

If I was given the choice between a young animal and tag soup, I would be eating the young animal.  In my mind the only difference between a spike and a fawn is body weight.

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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2019, 08:38:22 AM »
It's pretty interesting how we apply different values to different animals.  Most have no problem shooting ducks or geese hatched this year, but it's different with deer.  Same goes with the attitude to "winging" one as well as the ethics of shooting them on the water vs in flight.  When I took up waterfowling it really struck me the difference in ethics vs big game.  I didn't grow up hunting, so I have developed my hunting ethics largely on my own instead of from a particular person or community. 

It does seem that many people assume there is only one set of ethics.

If I was given the choice between a young animal and tag soup, I would be eating the young animal.  In my mind the only difference between a spike and a fawn is body weight.
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2019, 12:35:07 AM »
If it was a legal hunt, then we can't really question the intent of the hunter without knowing the situation (which we don't).  Certainly, it makes good sense to let an animal grow to maturity and attain a larger body size.  As several pointed out, we should not judge the hunter based on the result (assuming it was a hunter).  Anybody ever eat veal?  What's the difference between a calf and a fawn?  Hmmm.......    No reason to impose our values on other hunters.

Deer hit in the backstraps seem to recover pretty well from what I've seen (on hunting shows - I never mess up  :chuckle:)  Bow hunting seems to have a higher rate of poor results compared to firearms.  If this fawn had been hit with a 300 gr. bullet from a muzzleloader that close to the spine, it would have been last night's dinner.  That shouldn't mean that we should alter legal hunting methods.  Does anybody want to question whether we should allow bow hunting?  I recommend that when we find ourselves questioning the actions of other hunters, first ask if they were following the law.  Personal values are not transferable. 
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Re: Why the little one?
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2019, 06:34:31 AM »
I would think making a law against killing fawns would only result in people leaving a dead animal in the woods so as not to get in trouble. Like large 2pt left in 3pt only areas.  There are things that are legal that I would hope that nearly all hunters frown upon.  Such as hunting with rusty broadheads, wounding an animal and only half heartedly searching, and taking risky shots.   We will not always agree on everything.

 


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